Sarah Everard Murder - Serving Met Officer Arrested Mod Note in OP

Shao Kahn · 30-09-2021 2:06pm

With all the talk of police wearing bodycams, and covid certs that can be scanned instantly for authenticity, I wonder if you might ever see something similar with police ID documents in the future?

If this guy had to wear a bodycam when on official police duty, and his warrant card could be scanned by anyone with a police app on your phone before being arrested to check if he was legit, it could prevent something like this in the future.

I know this guy was legit, and his ID would have checked out in that scenario. But it would have also stopped him attempting this because there would be a record of this arrest taking place stored on a database and on this woman's phone / mobile network etc.

Just a thought that popped into my head. Even if you can't spot a killer easily, you can make it much harder for someone to pull off what this guy did again in the future.

Neyite · 30-09-2021 2:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117958832#Comment_117958832

It was brazen, and either practiced or expertly planned out.

He had the hazards on and cameras from two buses, a refuse lorry, and a marked police car picked up him 'arresting' her.

Seth Brundle · 30-09-2021 2:22pm

If this guy had to wear a bodycam when on official police duty, and his warrant card could be scanned by anyone with a police app on your phone before being arrested to check if he was legit, it could prevent something like this in the future.

"Sorry officer but you can't arrest me because my app isn't working right just now."

Joking aside, it wouldn't be a practical/workable solution though. Imagine the uproar if a criminal was allowed walk away because the officer's card wouldn't scan) only to commit a worse crime

30-09-2021 2:33pm

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An ex cop in a regular prison? I reckon he'll spend the rest of his life in jail, but the term may not be for very long.

Seth Brundle · 30-09-2021 2:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117959215#Comment_117959215

He will be isolated from the main prison for his own safety. He will spend most of his worthless life alone - hopefully he is not able to take his own life as that would deny justice for Sarah's family and friends.

miamee · 30-09-2021 2:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117958825#Comment_117958825

He apparently strangled her with his police belt.

Shao Kahn · 30-09-2021 2:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117959140#Comment_117959140

Yeah, it's possibly not a great solution. Just a quick thought that popped into the old noggin!

But something similar that could give the location and activities of police when on duty - so they can't just go off radar and go rogue like this guy. The bodycam footage is stored by police departments like cctv footage, for future evidence. There is tonnes of technology that might be able to stop someone doing this in the future.

Certain things might not be workable for undercover type police activities etc. But if you are flashing your ID around and arresting people on a busy street, I don't see why those activities can't be tracked and stored in a database and/or camera footage. Technology is really a big part of what caught this guy. And sharp police work too.

We shouldn't forget the good police out there catching these guys.

OMM 0000 · 30-09-2021 2:42pm

It's cases like this where I feel our prison system isn't fit for purpose.

This man is pure evil.

I think in cases like this, the family should have an option to be left alone in a room with the murderer for a few hours... and whatever happens is legal.

Sitting in a prison cell watching TV, reading books, and getting free meals is not the correct punishment for this.

miamee · 30-09-2021 2:42pm

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He must have known that something would be picked up or someone would have remembered seeing an arrest of a young woman on what looked like a busy-ish road during lockdown. He even rented the car in his own name. It seems a bit reckless on his part in that way, maybe his first and only time to go ahead and live out this fantasy he has probably had for a while and to hell with the consequences. Or maybe his big ego thought he'd be able to explain it away which would lead you to think what else has he explained away?

Be right back · 30-09-2021 2:51pm

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He made some attempts to do so already. Hopefully he will not be able to.

30-09-2021 3:24pm

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It would be better to throw a police belt into the room and let him kill himself.

It would save the hundreds of thousands to keep him locked up for decades.

Better for his family too, he has caused a lot of suffering for them too.

The world would be a better place without him in it.

Seth Brundle · 30-09-2021 4:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117959470#Comment_117959470

So you think he should not live through a punishment but rather a relatively quick death? That's not justice for anyone.

Pussyhands · 30-09-2021 4:09pm

Was there any belief that the wife was in on it too?

miamee · 30-09-2021 4:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117959678#Comment_117959678

No I don't think so

30-09-2021 4:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117959275#Comment_117959275

Reported today on Sky News that “Experts” are saying this isn’t the first time he’s done something like this as he was too organised and should be investigated for other crimes

i would have thought renting a car in your own name to carry out the crime was anything but, organised- certainly premeditated but that’s about it. There are tons of cameras- traffic and other sorts, throughout the UK- way more so than Ireland- whatever lies within him to carry out such a gruesome act, I don’t think its something that makes him a sort of master criminal - it’s as if he had lost complete touch with reality- when these events happen it always gives pause to just how rotten human beings can be, and we’ll never get an explanation or cause no less cure, as to why some human beings do these horrible things.

miamee · 30-09-2021 4:37pm

That makes some sort of sense, I suppose it will come out eventually if he was involved in any other similar crimes in the past other than the ones we already know about.

Jequ0n · 30-09-2021 5:18pm

@[Deleted User]

An explanation why people do these things? Because they want to.

A lot of people have fantasies and desires that most people would regard as “sick”. The decision to cross the line lies with the individual.

Neyite · 30-09-2021 5:30pm

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I reckon they should dig up that patch of land he owns. He's admitted using sex workers who are often by nature transient so it's not a stretch to think that it's possible there are prior victims not yet linked to him.

It's pretty tricky to rent a car with a fake name - you need to produce a drivers licence, a credit card and your insurance policy unless you want to pay the extortionate fee to go on the car hire company's insurance. Getting fakes would be tricky - getting good fakes at least. Transferring of insurance is done by the hire company calling the insurer so it has to be a valid policy at the time otherwise the insurer will just tell them it's a cancelled/invalid policy. So it probably was something he had to take a calculated risk on.

30-09-2021 5:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117959662#Comment_117959662

No, better to remove him from the face of the earth,he will be applying to work in the prison and earn points to qualify for further education.

Best if he was put down but we are too civilised to do that so next best thing is to let him do away with himself.

I would rather he died in terror like his poor victim though, imagine his ugly mug was the last thing she saw bwefore she died.

These men are wired differently and there is no trying to undestand the evil they do.

take everything · 30-09-2021 6:38pm

A truly frightening case.

Poor woman. RIP. Thank God this guy will never see another day of freedom.

Hannibal_Smith · 30-09-2021 6:44pm

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Completely. They need to do an in depth search now. This can't have been his first murder? Incredible to think he had a nickname like he did... Makes it sound like a serious element to him was laughed off?

tara73 · 30-09-2021 9:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117958581#Comment_117958581

where does this come from he's isolated, not mixing with the general prison population? is it part of the verdict? seems odd, why should/(is?) one scum be isolated from the other scum? very expensive too. if it's true, is it a british thing?

Be right back · 30-09-2021 9:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117960849#Comment_117960849

It will probably be that way as he is an ex policeman and high profile.

tara73 · 30-09-2021 9:28pm

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read up on psychopathy/psychopaths, there are some good books out there which gives very good insights you won't never get without reading up on it specifically and just trying to find answers for yourself. It also lessens the anger, outrage and disbelief you feel, because it's really a condition, something different (not) working in their brains.

Kevin Dutton for example, actually from the UK. Finished it just a few days ago.

TomSweeney · 30-09-2021 9:39pm

So f*cked up this case, as others have said when she realised he wasn't taking her to a station - can you imagine the fear !!?

and I think he drove her 80miles away - all that time to think, jesus christ, imagine arriving at a dark field knowing what's gonna happen.

tara73 · 30-09-2021 9:44pm

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I hope this proves to be untrue and he gets the real treatment from his prison mates, some of his own medicine as somebody else mentioned already. Makes him see how that tastes.

30-09-2021 9:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117960920#Comment_117960920

And that’s exactly why the flashing incidents should have been investigated properly,this was a red flag.

He was also reported for driving around naked from the waist down.

If he had been fired he wouldn’t have had the police ID which threw Sarah off guard, she had lived in London for twelve years so would have been street wise.

A full report into his background needs to be published.

pawdee · 30-09-2021 10:00pm

Ideally he'd be tortured for the rest of his miserable life. If he could be flayed but kept alive for years and years in absolute agony that would be marvelous. That said, I'd happily put a bullet behind his ear and sleep like a baby after doing so. He's a worthless piece of s**t. I'm just so sad for that girl and her family.

tara73 · 30-09-2021 10:03pm

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agree, should have been investigted, but I doubt it would have prevented him from committing a horrendous murder eventually, it would have just been a different woman on a different day in probably different circumstances. Or even not different circumstances, as mentioned already, he could have easily forged his police ID.

Jequ0n · 30-09-2021 10:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117960920#Comment_117960920

While I appreciate Dutton’s efforts, and some of his work, I find it troublesome that it is used as a manual by which to “recognise” and diagnose by the general public.

Labelling on the basis of a book alone is like clutching at straws.

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