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Sláintecare 'standoff between the establishment and those charged with reform' | Newstalk

"We are now four weeks into this crisis about the future of our healthcare system.

"And we now find ourselves that there appears to be a sort of a standoff between the existing establishment - the HSE, perhaps the Department of Health - and the people who are charged with reforming the system.

"We did learn last night that Laura Magahy and Prof Keane had met the Taoiseach earlier this week, and I understand that that meeting was very constructive.

"But really we have to get to grips with this".

Consensus 'beginning to splinter'

He says this is undermining morale, as well as delaying access to care with "almost 700, 800,000 patients waiting to get access to our care... and this is all being delayed now".

And he says the consensus around the plan is fading.

"Lets recall here that this was a political consensus, probably the first time we had such a thing in Irish politics.

"They agreed on a strategy, and the funding and all the other things to do with that.

"And now we find that that's beginning to splinter.

"Someone needs to take the reigns here in the interest of patients, and indeed our wider public, to ensure that these parties get together."

While former head of the HSE Tony O'Brien has said the reform plan needs to be moved away from the Department of Health.

Thats why I asked the questions, it just makes no sense why a government, any government, would not be moving heaven and earth to implement something that is going to benefit the whole country? Seems that the only reason that it is not implemented because vested interest noses are going to be put out of joint and those interests are owed by the government or members of the government.

true and false, some people in the middle are really good with their money, some really arent, and again, similar with those on welfare, but money sitting in a bank account has zero velocity, the economy needs money to keep moving, i.e. to maintain velocity, this is done by continual transactions. if everyone saved, there would be no velocity of the money supply, and the economy would collapse

again, poor money management is not exclusive to certain sectors of society, its a common enough problem amongst all classes, it would be common enough for those in the middle to end up with large amounts of debt, as they try to provide themselves with their needs and wants. you will find even some end up in arrears in regards their debts at times, some needing help and assistance from charities for their needs. yup, even some go bust and must declare bankruptcy

again, as explained, more money towards welfare makes sense on many fronts, not only does if provide more for recipients, it also provides the economy with more money, always important to remember, under deficit conditions, part welfare comes from the deficit itself, i.e. not from exchequer funds, pup payments etc

'gravy train', seriously!

yes, workers should also be receiving more money, from employers, and/or from the state, pup etc, but again, some folks will just save or use this money to pay down debt, these activities do little or nothing for the economy, as explained, we need more money going towards actual business transactions, deposits and the paying off of debt does neither of these. funnily enough, yes, some of this money simply does indeed disappear, as this is what occurs when debts are paid, the actual act is the cancelation of money itself

yes, workers should indeed be rewarded more for working, but many businesses currently cannot afford that, for obvious reasons, this is where the state should and has stepped in, pup payments etc. yes again, welfare increases and bonuses etc, have in fact benefitted most, if not all, by these monies being spent into the economy upon receivership.

again, yes, i believe all citizens should also receive bonuses etc, from either/and/or employers and the state

yes, some employers dont, but some do, many currently cant, due to obvious reasons, hence why we now should be looking towards the states abilities to do, pup payments etc. my great plan in fact should, if its done correctly, make sure everyone has enough money to have a comfortable life, pup payments have proven this is now possible, and in fact, maintains an element of economic activities, that ultimately benefits all. so if people are quitting work for the dole, wheres the real problem?

no, not all monies received by welfare will go back into the economy, some will indeed leave the country, some will remain on deposit, and some will be used to pay down debt, so again, id say no. this approach might just give some, who are probably already struggling more to spend, which, as explained, ultimately benefits all, from this spending

yes again i agree, the default magical money trees, primarily from private sector banks, i.e. credit creation, are indeed being over relied on, we urgently need to swing back towards the public money supply, i.e. deficits and other methods

Well said.

New Politics 2011 (FG)

Fine Gael’s starting point is simple: political failure lies at the heart of Ireland’s economic collapse. The finger of responsibility must, in the first instance, point directly to the massive policy failures of the recent Fianna-Fail led Governments and their willingness to promote the interests of a so-called “Golden Circle” over the interests of the Citizen. Under Fianna Fail a political culture developed which ensured that the bankers and the developers were not dealt with before it was too late. A culture which tolerates cosy cartels and high costs in the private sector and ignores the need for radical reform in the public sector.

The expressions “Golden Circle”, “Crony Government” and “Cosy Capitalism” all describe the same thing: The abduction of our Republic by both public and private sector vested interests, aided and abetted by the present Government.

Cronies had to be foddered. The checks and balances in particular around the building industry weren't there leading to a decade of poorly built houses and of course the mica problem. It seems nothing has changed either. The promise of reducing the number of quangos was a nonsense too. New Politics never happened.