What are your thoughts on the fertiliser price s for 2022

Nobody is saying the farmer isn't feeding meal to supplement supply, which they would have done while using N aswell. To be fair I'm not too up on dairy and returns so not going to comment on milk averages, this just shows what can be done. Nobody is saying to stop using lime if needed or slurry/dung on ground. I don't really buy the argument of it's easy to do in good land either, as you said people need to adapt to see what works for their own land.

On wet heavy cold ground, in a bad year you'll maybe get 180 productive days from your fields, pippas example might get 270 odd days, that allows him to get alot more of his feed requirements from grazing, while lads that often endure 5-6 month winters are trying to conserve as much forage as possible in the summer months to get them through the winter, its hyperbolic saying the lad on wet ground should be able to farm away like the lad down in Cork on early dry land

Equivalent of 160 ton of 27% sulpha can bought in at 250 euro a ton of a average, so on 300 acres would be just shy of 1.25 ton/ha of it going out on his 300 acre farm our 335 kgs of pure n/ha been put on, with these clowns in government I'd say a generator might be a good purchase with the electricity grid worries coming down the line

I think it's it really going to focus farmers thought on when and how much we spread for the better. The best return on fertiliser is when spread in late spring and earlier autumn. This helps to make use of when our growth rates are good and soil temps are in our favour.

With the closed season on spreading extending and the prices that are likely to be endured, the early spring spreading of up to 70 units looks likely to be finished. Will this make us consider letting the start and mean calving dates slip by two weeks, thus letting a slightly bigger cover to be grazed by mid April.

In my own set up, it's the silage fertiliser that is the big spend. Heavy ground as @jaymla627 said, the need for 6mths fodder in the yard is a must. Do we pull back numbers slightly and let a natural buffer build. Using fertiliser efficiently to maximize growth when it is rising.

With nitrates, closed season, fertiliser and potentially grain prices changing, regulation is pinching the final 10% gains that farmers have made especially in the past 10 years. Is reducing our stocking levels a small fraction, going to be the most economical solution. Getting a system 90% efficient is reasonable expectation, pushing for the final 10%, is costly on a number of fronts, mainly financial - (everyday and capital costs), but more pressing is the farmers own health both physical and mental.

I don't know do many remember the teagasc farm in solohead in tip , or have access to it's figures , I'm pretty sure it was low input farming on heavy ish ground ( not terrible though ) , and freisan style cows , I think it was basically a clover system sticking out some urea in spring .. but Ive zero idea what their productivity ended up at ...

Nitrogen is currently getting the big lift but China announcement that it won't be exporting phosphorus at least till next June but probably longer is going to be as big an issue. The cheapest got p and 40% of the global market.

This fellow is doing a low level input system for the bainne.

https://www.arc2020.eu/farming-as-its-ferment-to-be-korean-natural-farming-in-ireland/

Maybe like inflation, prices will rise with input costs, when was the last time we were getting 37c a litre base? I'm clutching at a silver lining

It's different grassland management ,I've seen guys putting out urea just in spring , to get grass growth , but then grazing has to be carefully managed so as not to smother the clover , the clover will hold its own come may , and then go mad once it warms up a bit .. but it needs to flower at some point during the year - so needs to be closed for silage at some point. . And you can't carry heavy covers over winter .. different again for distant silage ground ..

Which is all grand if you can afford to destock a bit - not so great if youre up to your tits in debt...

Technically it should be but accountants just put it through the accounts in the year it was bought. However dairy lads that did not his in 2020 have a bigger problem this year. If any have sense they will use it as an opportunity to start a pension

The only bit of information the journal bothered printing re the fertilizer production shutdowns in Europe this week, looks like roughly 66% plus of capacity is offline, I think circa Europe was 90% sufficient in nitrogen production before this, unless their is huge stockpiles of product at these factories for shipping out, I don't know where the shortfall in product will be made up from till they start the factories back up again

Funny how all current stock shot up in price even though it was in co op yards, if global market had collapsed we would be told saving wouldnt be passed on until current stock was sold.

Your not wrong there 🤣

basically an outline by the industry of how even with a resumption that factories will not meet Spring demand across Europe. Not that they expect a resumption.