What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

I have tried different cuisines , married 2 non nationals , lived abroad experienced different cultures obeyed their laws .

I have not changed my opinion of immigration .

So high unemployment among non EU is not a problem and the matter does not need adddressing . A good reply when you cannot disagree or defend it .

I think most take your off the cuff remarks with a grain of salt .

I didn’t say high unemployment among non-EU wasn’t a problem, you’re saying that.

John Doe cherry picked a handful of statistics from the link he gave and in his opinion they were interesting. I only gave my opinion that they’re not particularly interesting, and asked whether John expected full employment of immigrants, pointing out that there isn’t full employment among highly skilled, highly educated Irish people, so I don’t expect immigrants would fare much better than Irish people themselves.

Surely it would be as obvious to you as it is to anyone else that unemployment whether low or high among any section of the population is an issue which requires addressing to determine why they are unemployed, and what resources or supports are necessary to help people who wish to gain employment?

Generally speaking any analysis would begin with what barriers job seekers are encountering, and in the case of immigrants, one of the main barriers they encounter is discrimination by potential employers. Another explanation is that they may not have very good English, or simply none at all. If we take for example the Congolese nationals who had the highest unemployment rate at 63% -

Of the 1,009 Congolese in Ireland in April 2016, 527 persons were in the labour force and 333 were unemployed giving them an unemployment rate of 63.2 per cent, the highest of any group.

As a former Belgian colony, their English probably isn’t great (national language is French), so that’s likely to be a considerable disadvantage in a country where the primary language in business is English. They’re also likely to face discrimination on account of the fact that not only are they immigrants, but from the Congo. It’s not a huge issue in the overall scheme of things given that there are just over 300 of them unemployed in Ireland, but that’s not suggesting it isn’t worth looking at the reasons why they’re unemployed and seeing how they could be helped to gain employment.

It would be far more worth investigating why for the majority of immigrants with poor English who are employed, they’re employed in low-paying, labour-intensive industries -

Almost 33,900 people who did not speak English well or at all were at work in April 2016. Nearly one in ten (9.2%) of these worked in restaurants, with another 8.3 per cent in building and services. A new entrant to the top ten industries in 2016 was those working in Residential care and social work with 1.8 per cent of workers.

The occupation with the largest numbers for this same group is cleaners, with 4,024 (11.9%) in this category, followed by food, drink or tobacco operatives, with 2,379 persons (7%). Elementary construction workers complete the top ten with 599 workers (1.8%) in this category.

Certainly from those figures, it would appear that not only does Ireland require immigrants who are highly skilled and highly educated, but we need a considerable amount of low-skilled, poorly educated immigrants too to fill the employment needs of labour-intensive industry sectors in order to maintain the appearance for some people that Ireland is a rich country.

Thats a disgrace.

Im shocked your family couldn't petition to get them back, not to pry but what justification was given for taking them ?

I had heard of some medical card withdrawals circa 2014 but not since, I may have not been paying attention to the area. Once people hit retirement age after paying into the pot all their lives the least that should be done is to be given medical cards. Thats the least we can do like.

@One eyed Jack their immigration status is what's worth investigating. If they're here and employable then they are going to be employed and drive the wages down.

That’s somewhat besides the point though, isn’t it? Your original point was that I didn’t seem to have any issue with the high rate of unemployment among non-EU nationals in Ireland. That has nothing to do with the number of people across the EU who are already employed.

It’s that sort of rhetoric is used in the examples I gave above of Leo and his determination to lead “the party for people who get up in the morning”, or Boris with his rallying declaration that “big corporations are holding wages down because they have access to so many workers from other countries”, and “the UK needs to think about how we control immigration.”

I’m not in control of Irelands social and economic policies, are you? It’s politicians who are responsible for their countries economic and social policies. You can’t hold immigrants responsible for things they have no control over, when they have even less influence over economic and social policies than the people Leo and Boris are dog whistling at without explicitly referring to the unemployed or immigrants. They let your imagination do it’s thing if you’re already given to thinking you’re experiencing the negative impact on society of the unemployed and immigrants, and if it weren’t for them, society would be so much better.

Well obviously it's not the immigrants coming to take our medical cards! But there is a sizeable amount of them that don't contribute al all or don't contribute enough hence stretching the HSE budget thinner. The thresholds for mean testing for medical cards are not set in stone, they are tailored to fit the budget.

If you ask me, a well off or even wealthy OAP should be able to enjoy "free" healthcare in their retirement days (not free because they contributed all their active life), whereas an immigrant that didn't contribute squat should not. This will be quite fair, wouldn't it? If only life were fair...

Le Pen has set the trend.

The others know that Le Pen will waltz into power if they continue the shytology as more and more ordinary native French and even legitimate immigrants working there from other places are fed up of all the attacks on the French secular and relaxed christian way of life.

And you are either ignorant or willfully ignore the economic fallout from growing numbers of asylum seekers and refugees.

There isn't a bottomless pit of public money and increased spending on all the supports necessary for asylum seekers/refugees means someone else has to pay.

You either increase taxes or cut someone else's benefits.

It is simple economic fact.

And asylum seekers and refugees, especially the poorly educated ones we have been getting, add a huge drain on state resources.

Someone some time back put up the actual spend involved in housing some Syrian (or supposedly Syrian) refugees in Clare.

The cost is astronomical when you factor in housing, medical cards, dentristry charges, transport costs, education and training supports and all these fancy integration courses.

They get more than a native normal unemployed person, and we have enough of the long term will not work unemployed without adding to it.

Of course all of this is ignored by people like you and anyone that raises it is lambasted as racist and bigoted.

And funnily enough a lot of the ones ignoring the costs are the very ones financially benefiting from these asylum seeker/refugee people.

In other words the ones with their gobs in the taxpayer funded troughs.

One reason that the men are reluctant to return home is that a high % of able bodied men ( fighting age, if you like ) left because they dd not wish to fight and die for the Regime, and they literally escaped from Syria anyway they could. So now, unless you have a lot of money or good connection's, you will be in big trouble when you return. And will go either into prison or the army. Either case, your future does not look good. Most of the heavy fighting may be finished ( for now) but the war has ravished the Country,and inflation is another big problem there. So not an easy (or safe) country to live in. Maybe in another 4-5 years..... maybe. But if the conditions improved, then I'm pretty sure that most Syrian Refugees would prefer to ba back home, especially the older ones.