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La Palma, Canary Islands - Volcano Thread

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    Nearer the equator(&lat re earlier timezone posts)..ash in the air/on ground... landscape shapes different ...less colorful houses etc ....mountain shadow/sun angle.. angle/lens/color contrast/placement of camera/even pyschological situation impact of person viewing event??? No idea but could be one or more of the above. Good morning all :)

    (edit added in brackets..cos i didnt realise you might have missed earlier discussion between posters on mainland spain v canaries re time)

    Still a good morning though :)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 408 ✭✭Orion402



    The planet rotates at a rate of 1 degree for every 4 minutes or 15 degrees for each 60 minutes.

    The Canaries are almost 17 degrees West of the Greenwich meridian and therefore about 11 degrees West of Dublin corresponding to 44 minutes later for sunrise. As the Canaries rotates rapidly out of the dark hemisphere of the Earth compared to the slower latitudinal velocity of Dublin, the transition from darkness to daylight is much more rapid on the Canaries compared to the long drawn out dawn at our latitudes.

    When the 17th century Royal Society academics and the experimental theorists decided to shift the rotation away from the stationary/central Sun and towards the daily change in position of the stars instead, they set in motion a divergence between cause and effect including the relationship between one rotation and one 24 hour day/night cycle-

    " It is a fact not generally known that, owing to the difference between solar and sidereal time, the Earth rotates upon its axis once more often than there are [24 hour] days in the year" NASA /Harvard

    It is why nobody can discuss the links between planetary motions and evolutionary geology (earthquakes, plate tectonics, volcanoes, spherical deviation), planetary motions and climate, planetary motions and differences in twilight lengths and multiple other topics of productive and creative research.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭galwaybabe


    It's all going a bit mad at the moment. Looks like the whole mountain is going to blow!



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,866 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




  • Registered Users Posts: 23,866 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    ^wow..brave filming so near a new lava flow...replys to their twit. post saying its 600m north...not good for the town unless it turns southward downstream.

    On a slightly different note...vegatation there kind of reminds of the west of Ireland. Expected a sheep or two to appear!

    edit now saying 400m

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    Abnd a translated update from half an hour ago

    The lava emanating from the Cumbre Vieja volcano, on La Palma, has already gained 19 hectares to the sea, according to the latest update of the European Copernicus terrestrial monitoring satellite system, with data collected at dawn this Friday. The delta created by the main stream is already 50 meters high and 320 meters wide. On its way to the ocean, the magma has destroyed more than 1,000 buildings. The eruption has originated a new mouth and two new lava flows, which, according to forecasts, would run north of the existing one, according to CSIC data, very close to the current one, towards Los Llanos de Aridane, the most populated municipality of the Island. Some neighborhoods in this municipality, in which some 20,000 people live, have already been evacuated and devastated by the magma, as is the case of Todoque. The concentration of sulfur dioxide in the air has increased this Friday in some areas of La Palma, although this does not pose a health risk, says the direction of the Volcanic Emergency Plan of the Canary Islands (Pevolca).

    Also says another 1200 homes/buildings at risk in an earlier update further down page...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    The cloud vortex above the volcano is mad , like a tornado perched on top!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Your 44 minutes later for sunrise does not take into account the variation due to the time of year. Your figure is only correct on the two Equinoxes, but in June the difference is more than two hours.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    wow...what a close call ...a hopefully rare dangerous working occurance..hope all ok and nerves not too shook...fair dues to the camera operator

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JavierApophis/status/1443904771824422915

    somebody put it on the tube..shame about the music preferred natural sounds




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,833 ✭✭✭knucklehead6


    fecking stupid website..... following



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Does anyone know what the prevailing winds are in the area as regards the direction of the ash cloud? I'm curious as to whether it could act similarly to the Saharan Air Layer in shutting down tropical cyclogenesis in the Atlantic by drying out the atmosphere.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    They seem to mainly blow down on the villages and town..one day they blew the ash over to Santa Cruz... bush craft bear who films on ridge nne of the volcano most of the time is ok..dont know if that helps... possibly north easterly without looking up windy.com. etc

    edit..that might be just the localised wind condition at the moment. Ash advisorys





  • Registered Users Posts: 23,866 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




  • Registered Users Posts: 23,866 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    A magnitude 3.6 Earthquake has just been registered near the eruption zone. Shallow depth of 10km.




  • Registered Users Posts: 408 ✭✭Orion402



    You are out of your depth so go back to your timekeeping over temperatures graph warfare (climate change modelling).

    Timekeeping and that includes the Lat/Long system is based on the rotation of the Earth at a rate of 1 degrees per 4 minutes with each rotation anchored to the sunrise/noon/sunset cycle. Each degree West sees the Sun appear 4 minutes later, regardless of time zones for that, like DST, represents the flexibility of timekeeping along with the Lat/Long system.

    Dublin lost its own time zone exactly 105 years ago on October 1st 1916 or the 25 minute difference representing roughly 6 degrees West of Greenwich. It is why the Canaries will always be 44 minutes later in being 11 degrees West of Dublin even when dawn/twilight lengths vary due to different rotational velocities.

    For too long people rush in without the slightest regard for the physical considerations involved so if I find myself arguing with modelling enthusiasts who firmly believe the Earth doesn't turn once each day/night cycle, I prefer to ignore you and any others who can't affirm basic cause and effect.

    In any case, planetary comparisons between the dynamical traits of Venus and the Earth in terms of geological evolution require accurate rotational velocities across latitudes and that involves less hysterical people who can handle the emergence of the true values. I am sure whatever petty moderator decided to block linked websites must observe with glee but I can't answer to that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    Looks like part of the cone collapsed on the main dome feed....

    Actually, yes, started 1hr 10 mins ago, if you rewind back.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,866 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Looks suspicious. New vent coming? Would be completely different direction up to now if it happens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    Nah, I'd say it was just undercut by the actions of the main vent. I presume that's where most of those small stones were coming from as it vented over the last few days.

    But the smoke from the far left of the dome appears to indicate that more of the dome has also been undercut. Presumably it will all fall in on itself as some point.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    Damn, dark already.

    Why can't they install proper task-lighting on this thing? ;)



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    need to orientate myself before dark. facing the volcano with the sea/new lava delta behind me..

    two smaller vents near the top which are now less activetham the night of the 3 lava fountains

    the bigger monster of one below it that caused the lava to the sea

    one down and left of it newer 400m away

    possible ones emerging further back on the left base of the cone and the left shoulder?

    Any activity on the right?

    edit..found this which clarifys the situation


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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,866 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,319 ✭✭✭highdef


    Another way to explain it is that today (according to https://www.timeanddate.com/), solar noon in Dublin was at 12:14 GMT and in Santa Cruz, La Palma it was at 13:00 GMT, a difference of 46 minutes. The time of solar noon does fluctuate so I checked the times for the last day of this month. For Dublin, it's 12:08 GMT and for Santa Cruz, La Palma it is 12:54. It's no coincidence that the difference is 46 minutes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,319 ✭✭✭highdef


    It's not dark, looks like the aperture on the video camera is locked to a large F-Number.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    whats an F number?I thought it might just have been where the camera was placed. thanks

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  • Registered Users Posts: 408 ✭✭Orion402



    Maybe I should have stated that, based on the rotation rate of 1 degree for every 4 minutes, the Sun comes into view 44 minutes later, along the same longitude line as Dublin insofar as Dublin is 6 degrees West of Greenwich while the Canary islands are 17 degrees West.

    He drew attention to a necessary correction and fair dues to him for that notwithstanding, it still requires the correct rotational velocities which connect the 24 hour system with the Lat/Long system through the Earth geography and rotational characteristics.

    As for your uninteresting reaction, seen it all before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,833 ✭✭✭knucklehead6




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