All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

robinph · 30-09-2021 8:55pm

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So what is your angle here?

Are you just avoiding drugs and vaccines developed by those companies? Are you fine with the one developed by Oxford University for example, or what about the Chinese or Russian vaccines?

Or are you trying to claim that all global pharmaceutical companies are in on a conspiracy to poison the whole population of the world for some reason?

30-09-2021 10:08pm

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I'm trying to grasp how this ties in with possibly one of the most scrutinised vaccines to be produced ever

Dohnjoe · 30-09-2021 11:01pm

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Okay. Pick any industry in the world and you'll find cases of fraud, or bad products or large lawsuits. Literally, give me any industry and I can make a similar list. It doesn't mean thousands of modern products are systematically compromised, or even close.

To repeat the questions you didn't address:

Just to clarify you touch no medical products whatsoever, no aspirin? you wouldn't get anesthetised, etc?

And, according to your personal views, what's going to happen to the 3.5 billion people who have already received one dose of this vaccine?

King Mob · 30-09-2021 11:21pm

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But you are the one who was caught out posting a fake image because you didn't fact check it. You are the one pretending that didn't happen. You are the one who can't provide a single rational reason to not get the vaccines. You are the one who keeps dumping propaganda like a bot. You're the one who keeps dodging and avoiding points he can't answer.

But we're brainwashed and dumb?

PintOfView · 01-10-2021 8:05pm

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Have you looked up the risk of blood clots from a) the vaccine, and b) from Covid itself?

If you had looked it up for yourself, and used some of the critical thinking you mention, you should realise that what you just said there is completely wrong. See -> https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-08-27-covid-19-not-vaccination-presents-biggest-blood-clot-risks (from Univ of Oxford)

And as regards the lunacy being permanent, surely that applies more to those who just believe misinformation from fringe channels, and dismiss what you call msm (what makes you think everyone else in the world is being taken in but you, have you considered it might be the other way round?)

buzzerxx · 01-10-2021 10:32pm

If we lose on vaccines we will completely lose the right to sovereignty over our own bodies. There is

no such thing as freedom if we are not free to determine what is and is not injected into us.

buzzerxx · 01-10-2021 10:34pm

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Have you not considered that its possible you are wrong and this IS a planned agenda.

sydthebeat · 01-10-2021 10:35pm

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no one is forced to take a vaccine. plenty out there who physically cant

but youd be a pr!ck not to, unless youre one of those that can't take it

Dohnjoe · 01-10-2021 10:37pm

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Do you take any medical products whatsoever?

If you were in an accident, would you seek medical help?

If you had to have an operation, would you refuse it because of the anaesthetic?

Do you believe you know more than doctors and physicians?

Dohnjoe · 01-10-2021 10:38pm

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What is the "planned agenda"? lay it out step-by-step.

King Mob · 02-10-2021 1:07am

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But you've not show any good reason to think this is true. Whenever people ask you questions or point out an issue with this idea, you ignore and run away.

And in addition, you posted up a fake image because you didn't do any fact checking.

If you conspiracy theory is true, why do these things?

Don't these things point more to you being wrong?

PintOfView · 02-10-2021 9:24am

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Yes, towards the end of last year I was shown sites that presented these conspiracy angles. Some of these were well written articles and concerned me enough that I checked into them. Over the last 9 months I've spent a lot of time checking out what was said on those sites, and checking claims made in various discussions here on boards, and when I delve into the details I've not found one instance where the facts add up to a conspiracy, and the people here on boards making the claims never seem to be able to back up the claims with hard facts (only links to other people making the same claims!).

Your point about blood clots is an example. This claim has been around since the news that Astra Zeneca vaccine caused rare blood clots, at a rate of something between 5 and 20 per million healthy people, and with about a quarter of those dying. However the other side of that coin is that Covid itself causes blood clots, and in one US study [link] the risk of blood clots from Covid (43 per million people) was assessed as 7 times the risk of clots from Pfizer or Moderna vaccines.

And with everything opening up again it's likely that most people will be exposed to Covid in the future, so then you are not just risking blood clots from Covid (admittedly in a low number of cases) but also all the other risks that Covid brings, which makes blood clots from the vaccine a much lower risk compared to getting the virus itself.

As regards the planned agenda, it's easy for someone to just claim that, without any evidence apart from fear or just their imagination. Lots of people believe stuff that is the complete opposite of what other people believe, so one of those groups is just wrong! That's why you risk believing stuff that is false unless you look into these questions a bit more for yourself, and not just trust a particular web site or youtube channel, etc.

I'm completely open to changing my mind if someone presents me with facts that I can check, but it has to be more than a link to someone else just making a similar claim (some of whom are looking for subscriptions at every turn, and I strongly suspect don't care what they print and are just taking advantage of people)

04-10-2021 7:39pm

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What do you make of this article in the Daily Mail: Government condemned for refusing to release details of key email conversations over Covid origins | Daily Mail Online

Would you agree that it is at least unusual that almost every word in the emails was blacked out?

04-10-2021 7:40pm

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What do you make of this, buzzerxx: Maajid أبو عمّار on Twitter: "“They're about to sack 100,000 care workers, are you telling me they're not setting us up for the very crisis that triggers vaccine passports?” The government's requirement for care home staff to be vaccinated will activate the PM's 'plan B' for winter https://t.co/SXID2AxDqS" / Twitter

Do you think Maajid Nawaz is right?

EyesClosed · 04-10-2021 8:04pm

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With our government about to remove more restrictions this month... What again is permanent?

brianhere · 04-10-2021 8:15pm

But they are always about to remove restrictions, thats the great characteristic of the whole saga. Every other month, if not every other week, the whole thing is supposed to go back to normal but never does. Remember it started as only 'two weeks to flatten the curve'.

The point is that if you had been told then that these restrictions/tyrannies were to last 18 months at least you would never have agreed to them, hence the need to employ these frog boiling population control tactics.

Fighting Tao · 04-10-2021 8:30pm

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So what exactly is permanent?

brianhere · 04-10-2021 8:40pm

All of the measures currently introduced: masks, social distancing, and for the unvaxed - those with a bit of sense - : massive restrictions on work, travel, social occasions and commerce of all descriptions.

They have already shown they are continuing all these measures, and are tightening them up ruthlessly all over the world against those unvaxed.

sydthebeat · 04-10-2021 9:00pm

i have absolutely no problem if they make it mandatory for care works in nursing homes to be vaccinated.

covid is highly contagious and potentially deadly for elderly people.

King Mob · 04-10-2021 10:35pm

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OK. Why are they doing this?

mick malones mauser · 04-10-2021 10:47pm

Why do people bother arguing with these anti vax conspiracy nuts.

Let them wallow in their ignorance...Did you know Hilary Clinton runs a paedo network for liberal elites from a Pizza Parlour in Washington DC...

Nuts

Dohnjoe · 04-10-2021 11:35pm

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Who are "they"?

What are they up to?

The e.g. UK has few restrictions left, New Zealand has next to none, what is going on those countries then?

brianhere · 04-10-2021 11:47pm

They are doing these things as population control measures. Yes believe it or not sometimes governments take an intererest in how they control the population, they are not always nice people diligently looking after your interests! I have news for some it seems, sometimes they are trying to control and dominate you, and that you need to oppose or they will get away with it.

Take a simple real world example. Absolutely every product of the modern day pharmaceutical industry always markets itself as wonderful for your health - and they frequently say: 'for those around you as well' - except for one or two minor and very rare reactions. Its always rare, rare is the great byword of big pharma. Now if you get those 'rare' symptoms having partaken of one of these products, you won't know whether your reaction really was 'rare', unless you know and get to talk to a large number of people.

Hence having mass medicated the whole population with their latest experimental injection its very important to them that you don't get to socialise with too many people, therefore they close down pubs, gigs and music venues, masses, funerals and weddings etc etc, so your social circle declines dramatically. Now you simply don't know if what you experienced really is 'rare' or not, all you have got then is the mass media to go by and they - and scientific academia - are beholden to big pharma to the tune of vast sums of money every year.

Anyway you get the picture, controlling the population means atomising them, destroying communities etc, and this is a well recognised phenomenon the world over, particularly building on the experiences of Communism.

That is why they are doing what they are doing, and it is working brilliantly.

buzzerxx · 04-10-2021 11:51pm

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Sickening but predictable actions by the plannedemic accomplices. Last years frontline heroes, who are perfectly healthy being unvaxed, are being sacked for not taking an injection ( or 2, 3 or 10 or god knows how many). Reports are circulating now about how jabbed people are actually more contagious so therefore endangering the elderly more so. https://twitter.com/i/status/1440350665780318210. P.S Hearing the mention of the illegal and evil state of israhell so many times in one video is nauseating.

King Mob · 04-10-2021 11:52pm

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OK. Why are they trying to control the population. How will the vaccines and masks achieve this?

Do you have anything at all solid to show that the side effects of the vaccines are worse than are being claimed or is that something you are just dreaming up?

So far your claims aren't very sensible or convincing and they are pretty much the same stuff that has been claimed to be just around the corner for decades now.

buzzerxx · 05-10-2021 12:04am

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They are going to have to sack an awful lot of people i fear. https://www.facebook.com/100060255729472/videos/183889967077072

The Plannedemic is Permanent.

vixdname · 05-10-2021 12:07am

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Can you post up here, these "Reports" you speak of that are stating that vaxxed people are more contagious than unvaxxed people please ?

King Mob · 05-10-2021 12:29am

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Hi sorry. Again you're posting up some crap you found on facebook.

What did you do to factcheck this?

The last time you did this you posted up a fake image from a video game and you torpedoed your own credibility.

What's different this time?

vixdname · 05-10-2021 1:01am

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Oh good God, you even go to use the conspiracy theorists handbook of overused juvenile sayings ---- "Plannedemic"

List of conspiracy theorist handbooks most used words:

Scam, Research, Critical Thinking , Dolores Cahill, Expert, Bill Gates, Big Pharma, Freedom, Scamdemic, Plannedemic.

Propaganda, Hoax, Inside Job, False Flag, Sheep, Sheeple,

brianhere · 05-10-2021 1:05am

'They', that is the people doing this, introducing all these measures etc, is the Irish government, obviously. But it in turn is very influenced by supranational organisations like the EU, again obviously, and international organisations like the UN and WHO.

The great power of the latter international organisations can be demonstrated by the way so many governments all over the world have responded to this in exactly the same way, that demonstrates there must be some overarching international power involved.

All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

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