Greta Thunberg (Continued...)

It's quite an ability to constantly talk about negative impacts of change while ignoring the negative impacts of no change.

This was published in 'Science' academic journal this week.

What do you think that looks like in reality? Do you think if people believed this, that they'd still focus on material goods over their safety?

Virtually all. You say. So there are climate professionals who don't agree yet you are without question correct. Any comment re how man might adjust to rising sea levels. We have seen diagrams of 50 percent of Dublin under water in coming years' completely ignoring that even if the water level predictions are correct, we will have Engineered out most of the problem. It's just scare tactics.

The CO2 chart is abit Hollywood. Lots of nice variation appearing to stay within a predictable range. What caused the previous high point 350000 years ago I wonder? How did it turn around?

What caused each and every dip previously?

That chart would appear to prove the natural cycles theory.

There is also a very obvious flaw in the chart.

Each time division on that chart is 50000 years. Fair enough. The final portion deals with the last 70 years and shows this massive vertical line. I'd respectfully suggest that any similar spike over any random 70 to 100 year period in the past would not even register on that same chart. It's presented to drive home a point to people just looking for proof of doom.

Its not smart to try to steer the discussion with 'be as specific as possible' but

We could start as I said by not focusing on taxing the naturally occurring gas. The gas that we are actively panicking to bottle this very week for food production.

Tax instead vehicles by cancer causing emissions.

Tax businesses producing cancer causing plumes of smoke 24 hours a day. This would cause price increases but it's a better way to go that taxing the end user for using a product.

Bring troublesome nations like china to the table. A tiny percentage change from china would be more beneficial than anything taxation in Ireland can do or the entire eu would likely achieve.

The Chinese are laughing at us. Happily taking penalties for burning a briquette while they open coal plants by the dozen.

Honest, why would you want to travel when all you have to do to experience a locale is youchube it. All in perfectly luscious HD. Who neez to get to the airport, lug them stoopid bags from one terminal to another, get cleared at so many points along the way, vomit on yourself just before crashing in a big ball of fire?

There is nothing about any of the posts I have made about any of the threads on this topic that indicate I think there is a magic wand solution to this.

It has been clear since the 80's of the growing problem and in our (humans) role in exacerbating it. It is clear we are running out of time and while I can remember commentary on this being accompanied with 'If we want to prevent damage' it has now moved to 'We need to limit the damage' which is another indication of the failure of strategies to this point.

Or another way to put it, the climate agenda has been set by the known results...

There's reams of data on how scientists have gotten to the conclusion they have, even without access to academic platforms, places like Google Scholar can show you plenty on this.

As for the not all scientists comment you alluded to in that post as inferring that that mean there was significant division of opinion on the the issues affecting the climate and the potential severity of these issues. There isn't.

From within that page.

http://www.opr.ca.gov/facts/list-of-scientific-organizations.html

our environmental issues have been raised by some since before the 80's

Absolutely. I was referring to the timeframe during which I have been observing conversations on these matters. It is really upsetting to consider that throughout this time, and particularly in the last 20 years, we have gone full steam in the direction of single use plastics, short life electronic goods and fast fashion when we should have been focusing on sustainability.

And now, the employment, sales and tax revenue associated with these practices are considered too important to impact and so it goes on. Very depressing really.

There really is no point harping back to what could have been in the past and as for radical change that is an extremely tall order in a world where the UN has 193 countries. Most plans or proposals you look at now do have an interim target for 2030 but the vast majority of them go out to 2050 on the really big changes. That is as radical as it gets.

People always in denial about their destruction of the planet. We have had it so easy. Families are smaller in the consumer world but we consume so much more now. It's payback time. I can't see how it can happen in any kind of controlled fashion. Unfortunately the rich will hold onto the lifeboats for as long as possible. In Ireland we are distracted by house prices and property booms as usual. We are like goldfish.

And so it goes.

Marvin Gaye singing about it in the 70s ...

Even Erasure, yes!, wrote a song about this back in 1991. Funny they had a line about shopping at home.

Chorus

Go ahead with your dreamin'

For what it's worth

Or you'll be stricken bound

Kickin' up dirt

For when it's dark

You never know what the night it may bring

Go ahead with your schemin'

And shop at home

You'll find treasure

While cookin' up bones

But the knife is sharp

You'd better watch that you don't cut your hands

And they covered up the sun

Until the birds had flown away

And the fishes in the sea

Had gone to sleep

theres severe limitations in what the current workforce can do about this, our default is to effectively charge them for it, including in the form of taxation, this approach simply wont work. this is in fact one of the main reasons why theres such push back, and this is completely understandable, theres only so many layers on an onion. we in fact need to create brand spanking new institutions and systems to also try tackle this, in both the public and private domains, but particularly in the public, this hasnt happened yet!

funnily enough, you ll find most of those youth will grow up quickly, eventually becoming apart of the workforce themselves, and again, theyre seriously p1ssed, and theyre gonna be far more proactive than us older generations

Capable of reading academic papers but not being able to source them is a first for me, I'll grant you that.

Here's 1 that took 0.02 seconds of a search in Google Scholar.

You have stolen my dreams and my childhood...

...striving for a standard of living like mine

HOW DARE YOU!

Putin never seemed interested.

Boris Johnson studied Greek poetry at University, I'd take Greta's thoughts on the climate ahead of that background.

World leaders need to implement the change, but someone needs to advocate for the change also and we know that the leaders to this point haven't done enough.

You think the last 3 years of climate focused activity was inconsequential?

She already spoke at the House of Commons, the UN, the EU. Do you think they asked her to do so thinking she had nothing to contribute to the topic?