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2020 officially saw a record number of $1 billion weather and climate disasters.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭Nabber


    But any record high gets posted in here?


    But I was copying what the “furnacist” do and just dropping them in as evidence of something 👍


    Are we settled on storms hitting Ireland not getting stronger?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭Nabber


    Great barrier reefs recovering, some with record coverage.

    Regrowing so it can die in a hundred years 😂😂


    There were no sustained heatwaves leading to coral bleaching, there were no large tropical cyclones. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/reef-in-recovery-but-warning-on-climate-remains/100304554


    But Corporate UN told me it would be unprecedented! 2019 was the new norm for heatwaves and fires. No going back, no breathers or rest periods. All down hill.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The IPCC say that there will be many more new maximum temperature records than maximum low temperatures. It never said that there will never be another minimum low temperature ever recorded anywhere.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Lol 😂 The spin merchant strikes again!

    It true to say that coral is regrowing but this is on the back of the worst bleaching event on record, so essentially any growth after such any event will appear to be a record.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    If you burn down an ancient forest, and then go back to it 3 years later to find land covered in ferns and scrub, technically there has been 'regrowth' but it is not the same as it was before

    Coral that is recovering is the weaker faster growing coral species, it takes a very long time for the diversity to recover and given the increased likelihood to have bleaching events in any given year due to climate change, it is unlikely that previous diversity will ever recover, it will be replaced by something else, more suited to the hotter climate, but not likely to be able to sustain the levels of life that were once there (at least until species can adapt to the new conditions)



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,235 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    The New York Times, mouthpiece of the neoliberal corporate class:

    The World Wants Greenland’s Minerals, but Greenlanders Are Wary

    Note the tone of language used in the article (which is similar in tone to the actual headline)

    "The island has rare elements needed for electric cars and wind turbines. But protesters are blocking one project, signaling that mining companies must tread carefully.

    "China has a near monopoly on these minerals. The realization that Greenland could be a rival supplier has set off a modern gold rush

    "Global superpowers are jostling for influence. Billionaire investors are making big bets. Mining companies have staked claims throughout the island in a quest that also includes nickel, cobalt, titanium and, yes, gold."

    "But those expecting to exploit the island’s riches will have to contend with Mariane Paviasen and the predominantly Indigenous residents of the village of Narsaq.

    The World Wants Greenland’s Minerals, but Greenlanders Are Wary - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

    They should have just included this image to further propagate their cause, with the white man standing on a map of Greenland instead:


    New Moon



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,235 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Note also, a similar tone of article from fellow neoliberal corporate media CNN back in August, but this time regarding Afghanistan:

    The Taliban are sitting on $1 trillion worth of minerals the world desperately needs

    The Taliban are sitting on $1 trillion worth of minerals the world desperately needs - CNN

    'Minerals the world desperately needs'.

    'The world wants Greenland's minerals'.

    Interesting...

    New Moon



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I think you might have wandered into the wrong forum there Oneiric



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,235 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Nope, this is all to do with big 'green energy' interests.

    Inconvenient, I know.

    New Moon



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    stop beating around the bush Oneiric. Tell us what you think this means



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    FYI, Nickel, Cobalt, Titanium and Gold are all used in ICE vehicles and for refining oil also.

    For hat making purposes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,235 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Surprise surprise...

    Billionaire-backed mining firm to seek electric vehicle metals in Greenland | Reuters

    "COPENHAGEN, Aug 9 (Reuters) - Mineral exploration company KoBold Metals, backed by billionaires including Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates, has signed an agreement with London-listed Bluejay Mining (JAY.L) to search in Greenland for critical materials used in electric vehicles.

    KoBold, which uses artificial intelligence and machine learning to hunt for raw materials, will pay $15 million in exploration funding for the Disko-Nuussuaq project on Greenland's west coast in exchange for a 51% stake in the project, Bluejay said in a statement.

    Shares in BlueJay traded 26% higher on the news"


    New Moon



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,235 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    No your pathetically ill informed and you’ve proven that with all your captain conspiracy theory bullshit. Now hop on your knee high BMX and peddle somewhere else.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,235 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    What 'captain conspiracy theory bullshit' exactly? Do you think such an embarrassingly predictable and baseless 'response' is going to suffice with me?

    Do inform me and the world on here as to how 'ill-informed' I am, Cap'n Nana...

    New Moon



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,235 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    New Moon



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭Nabber



    Analogy is poor if you are inclined to believe that destruction of reefs and forests was caused by AGW.


    It's almost as if these forest and reefs have evolved in an destructive environment. Fast growing coral and plants have found their niche after the established coral and trees have died only for time to replace them... Then it happens all over again. Imagine there was plants that had seeds that required fire to kick off their germination process, that would be crazy, they probably evolved some time around the satellite era.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭Nabber



    The new normal, very likely and unprecedented stone age artifacts found in retreating Ice.

    Good thing that ~.02% of change that we made in 140 years has allowed us to find these artifacts. Modeled back casting which is unquestionable evidence shows that cavemen and women never suffered flooding, storms, hurricanes ect. We know this because they only had ~200ppm CO2. The bible is further evidence that Earth was Eden during the less than 200ppm CO2 paradise.

    Only mature trees grew and mature coral was found on every square foot of the ocean. Truly fantastic times.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭Nabber


    You also said all extreme weather is caused by AGW. Record low temps are AGW related too?

    Using a global average makes it easy to maneuver around temp fluctuations Which are 'just' weather unless they are extreme in that cause they are AGW Extreme weather.


    The issue most alarmist yourself included Akrasia is that you take the preverbal high ground on listening to the science. When the science doesn't fall inline with the narrative then it's 'cherrypicking'. All cherrypicking means is "I validate your point has scientific merit but I choose to ignore it" Which means that you only listen to the science that says what you want it to say. This has been evident in this discussion. Climate science should address the cherry picked evidence, that's what science does, not claim consensus and move on. Past consensuses have been woefully wrong.

    Which brings us back, are stroms getting stronger in Ireland? If not then you must recant your assertion that you only use peer reviewed papers to form your arguments. Unless like all humans you also make logical conclusions with out empirical evidence.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,709 ✭✭✭Birdnuts


    Spain and Texas approached or exceeded record lows only last winter



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  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Many of the corals bleached in the worst affected areas of the GBR were hundreds of years old. If this was a common event, then these centuries old corals would have survived, instead they were destroyed. It takes decades for these corals to recover, and they will only recover if water temperatures reduce back to historically average conditions, which is not going to happen unfortunately, we will almost certainly not see these coral reefs recover the diversity that they once had.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    The problem with corals is not so much warmer water temperatures but increased dissolved CO2, which reduces the carbonate ions needed for calcification.

    Despite the term acidification, the oceans are actually slightly alkaline (pH currently around 8.1 after a reduction of about 0.1 units in recent decades). There are still carbonate ions there, just around 15% less than pre-industrial. Even by 2100, the oceans are projected to be remain alkaline (pH ~7.8), with the reduction in carbonate ions about 60% relative to pre-industrial.

    Of course one "benefit" of warmer oceans is less capacity to dissolve CO2, but the equilibrium still shifts slightly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,235 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,235 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Still waiting on Banana to prove his stock accusation that I engaged in 'conspiracy theory'. He seems to have gone very quiet since... and I'm sort of beginning to wonder why? 🤐

    New Moon



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭Nabber


    There was some research done on corals in the Gulf. I can’t find the study for the life of me. But it indicated that water temp was not an issue for coral, at least not 1.5c. Rather the issue was direct pollutants from industries and farming.


    Also the regeneration makes little sense regardless. GBR has been dying since 1995, the sea temps have not fallen, but risen. We are also discovering that dead coral can regenerate.


    No regeneration was expected. We lack fundamental understanding of cycles in nature.


    We can keep up the dance that we know everything and have the computing power to model outputs meaningful outputs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Hot record broken = proof that the climate emergency is happening right before our eyes, continents are burning, etc...

    Cold records broken = isolated local events.

    That is how it's spun.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    So you can easily find thousands of articles and scientific papers that say coral bleaches based on water temperature but that one paper you remember reading and agreeing with but can’t find anymore, that’s the only true one



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    nope, twice as many hot records broken compared with half as many cold records



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    You are a conspiracy theorist. You are alluding that scientists are falsifying data so bill gates can mine metals in Greenland

    it’s as nuts as they come



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,235 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Desperate and dishonest stuff, but given that this is the classic tactic of Neolibs, It comes as no surprise.

    Where did I say that climate scientists were 'falsifying data'? Instead of addressing the big profit/colonial pursuals of those who big, profit media driven media claim to be for the environment, this is the nonsense you come out to distract from it.

    And, as Nabber has asked repeatedly, do you now accept that your insistence that storms are becoming worse in Ireland is totally groundless? Who told that they were in the first place?

    New Moon



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