"Green" policies are destroying this country

There was no need to take advise from car makers. Had they placed a 5 year old at the rear of a diesel car and a petrol one the child would have wet itself laughing being told that diesel was the cleaner fuel.

When it comes to investing we have put all the money on wind energy with no plan B and the turkeys are now coming home to roost with carbon tax bills in their beaks and talk of outages this Winter.

Not only have we invested in wind turbines, as another poster pointed out, they are not exactly sustainable. A lifespan of 20 years before becoming obsolete where not just the complete unit has to be torn down and replaced but even the concrete base will have to be torn up as it is not fit to support the newer models. That is not investment, it`s throwing good money after bad.

Good luck with capturing enough methane in an open cattle shed that will power more than a 40 watt bulb, and as I have already said, we are living in the northern hemisphere. If we covered the island with solar panels, even if it was there when needed, it would cover the shortfall when the turbines stop turning.

The climate has been changing on earth for billions of years.

I firmly believe in Climate change.

I don't believe humans can ever stop it.

Oh so you just dismiss my point of view because you think your beliefs are right and that's it??

Exactly what the green party articulate and will pay for at the next general election.

Are you denying evidence of climate change happening long before we were here?

No, but that really is just a denier talking point. The climate change we are experiencing now is man made - end of story. Really this is a debate I had with deniers 10 years ago - its so utterly tedious to see that the same arguments are been rolled out now. Not going to entertain it.

Your just illustrating why you are not remotely interested in discussing the merits of current climate change actions, your just interested in denying man made climate change. Thats not a debate thats worth having.

For the last year and half we have had scientists coming out with batshit crazy predictions about how many of us are going to die etc. We naturally copped onto it that they were using extreme predictions to get themselves and their organisations air time and media exposure.

For climate change we have been hearing predictions that have continuously flopped. According to Al Gore's predictions, we should be dead by now. Every year we are hearing that we only have 2-3 years to turn things around, or it will be irretrievable.

It has to be recognised that when science organisations are releasing reports and studies, they are not giving the actual the prediction, they are giving the absolute most extreme example. Why? Because saying the world will heat by 0.01 degrees over the next 20 years doesn't get head lines. Saying the world will heat up 2-3 degrees in 20 years, that will get you and your organisation some profile, some headlines, maybe even some funding....

I'm not denying that change is occurring (ridiculous that we need to put that disclaimer in) but you have to look at the agendas of these people. They want funding, they want profile and they will come out with the most extreme predictions to get that

Thats not what this thread is about now is it, its about whether climate change actions are sustainable in Ireland. You have to accept that climate change is real to take part in that discussion otherwise your just howling at the moon.

The green thing here in Ireland is a load of nonsense. Some people have been brainwashed beyond belief about Irelands role in climate change. What happens in Ireland is miniscule in the overall global problem. Allowing the Greens implement ridiculous policies without alternatives in place is nuts. They have choirboys on social media but these are not representative of ordinary Irish people.

All these green policies should have impact assessments done on their effects on Rural Ireland. If left go unchecked these idiots will have wolves roaming rather than people in the countryside and car sharing in villages.

Not much to support your own claims.

A few for you. The average Irish household uses 4,200 Kw. of electricity annually. According to the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland 1sq m of solar panel will produce 150 W of power. on a sunny day. Now unless my maths is shot to hell the daily average energy consumption would require 77.7 sq m of solar panels.

But that is just the daily average based on a sunny Summer day. Winter consumption is 55% compared to Summers 45% so the area required in Winter would be more. Roughly 93 sq m. but you are not finished there. Being generous to the average Irish Winter`s day sunshine is 40% compared a sunny Summer`s day, 60% so you are now up to 128 sq m of solar panels. 70% of that area is 90 sq m.

For just the average house that is a lot of solar panelling to clamp on one side of the roof. Would the 10K you mentioned even come close to paying for that area plus fixtures and fittings?

FFS.

Rate. Of. Change.

Maybe, if all countries came together to discuss measures that each of them would promise to adhere to and they'd sign an agreement to that effect, it might demonstrate a willingness to try to make improvements so that everyone was doing their bit.

Do you think something like that would work?

No offence, but if someone can't grasp the concept of creating a talking point of what can be done as opposed to literally only things which are categorically, necessary to the broadcast, then stupid might be an appropriate determination with respect to their critical thinking facilities.

But, I don't actually think many people are that stupid, I think they use this argument to negate the idea of even having a conversation about changing how things are done. People did the same with Greta, tried to discount her argument of limiting unnecessary travel where possible by saying she actually didn't have to travel to the US to speak at the UN, even though she did so by boat and so no one should listen to her.

With respect to your efforts above to undermine the game zero initiative, how about if they had used Frank Lampard as a pundit, and he got a taxi from his home in London to the ground, would you complain that he should have walked? Or how about if they gave him a cup of coffee, would you complain that it should have been water?

The average installed pv system is 4kw with a similar sized battery. Having seen such a system in operation I can tell you that it performs as I described and costs about 10k to install. That system also exports power to the grid for most of the summer.

I pay particular attention to this system since its a test case for solar PV in one of the cloudiest parts of Ireland and will inform my eventual decision as to whether to install the same. With my current bills topping €1.5K per year and the introduction of buy in tariffs such a system in a marginal location will pay for itself in about 5years - probably the best cash investment possible in current market conditions.

If you were prepared to modify your behaviour a bit I daresay such a system could provide nearly 100% of your electricity.