"Green" policies are destroying this country

No, but that really is just a denier talking point. The climate change we are experiencing now is man made - end of story. Really this is a debate I had with deniers 10 years ago - its so utterly tedious to see that the same arguments are been rolled out now. Not going to entertain it.

Your just illustrating why you are not remotely interested in discussing the merits of current climate change actions, your just interested in denying man made climate change. Thats not a debate thats worth having.

For the last year and half we have had scientists coming out with batshit crazy predictions about how many of us are going to die etc. We naturally copped onto it that they were using extreme predictions to get themselves and their organisations air time and media exposure.

For climate change we have been hearing predictions that have continuously flopped. According to Al Gore's predictions, we should be dead by now. Every year we are hearing that we only have 2-3 years to turn things around, or it will be irretrievable.

It has to be recognised that when science organisations are releasing reports and studies, they are not giving the actual the prediction, they are giving the absolute most extreme example. Why? Because saying the world will heat by 0.01 degrees over the next 20 years doesn't get head lines. Saying the world will heat up 2-3 degrees in 20 years, that will get you and your organisation some profile, some headlines, maybe even some funding....

I'm not denying that change is occurring (ridiculous that we need to put that disclaimer in) but you have to look at the agendas of these people. They want funding, they want profile and they will come out with the most extreme predictions to get that

Thats not what this thread is about now is it, its about whether climate change actions are sustainable in Ireland. You have to accept that climate change is real to take part in that discussion otherwise your just howling at the moon.

FFS.

Rate. Of. Change.

Maybe, if all countries came together to discuss measures that each of them would promise to adhere to and they'd sign an agreement to that effect, it might demonstrate a willingness to try to make improvements so that everyone was doing their bit.

Do you think something like that would work?

No offence, but if someone can't grasp the concept of creating a talking point of what can be done as opposed to literally only things which are categorically, necessary to the broadcast, then stupid might be an appropriate determination with respect to their critical thinking facilities.

But, I don't actually think many people are that stupid, I think they use this argument to negate the idea of even having a conversation about changing how things are done. People did the same with Greta, tried to discount her argument of limiting unnecessary travel where possible by saying she actually didn't have to travel to the US to speak at the UN, even though she did so by boat and so no one should listen to her.

With respect to your efforts above to undermine the game zero initiative, how about if they had used Frank Lampard as a pundit, and he got a taxi from his home in London to the ground, would you complain that he should have walked? Or how about if they gave him a cup of coffee, would you complain that it should have been water?

The average installed pv system is 4kw with a similar sized battery. Having seen such a system in operation I can tell you that it performs as I described and costs about 10k to install. That system also exports power to the grid for most of the summer.

I pay particular attention to this system since its a test case for solar PV in one of the cloudiest parts of Ireland and will inform my eventual decision as to whether to install the same. With my current bills topping €1.5K per year and the introduction of buy in tariffs such a system in a marginal location will pay for itself in about 5years - probably the best cash investment possible in current market conditions.

If you were prepared to modify your behaviour a bit I daresay such a system could provide nearly 100% of your electricity.

I'd guess a lot of Chinese emissions are supporting our **** lifestyles.

A field of vegetables is not natural either.

No but if we ate less meat and dairy we'd need far less land for farming and could rewild areas, growing veg takes up far less space and uses far less water

Yes, if it was well thought out, planned and executed. We know from experience that the Greens are not capable of that. They would likely just hammer all beef and dairy farmers and tell farmers to convert to veg even if their land is completely unsuitable.

This consumer crazy wasteful world was pushed on them from birth by older generations yet you expect them to solve this mess too. The kids aren't driving themselves to school in Range Rovers, their parents are.

Intensive beef or Diary farming is so far from your pastoral vision that is not funny.

The path that the agricultural sector is currently on will inevitably lead to multiple EU fines for emissions, water pollution, impacts on Natura2000 sites. It will increase the costs to treat water to a safe standard. It will guarantee that Ireland misses its climate change target which are legally binding. It will also ensure the continued decline of Biodiversity across the country.

I think with grid connection and ground works (a lot of people will not have ideal roof space so a ground install is better) I would say 8K is a reasonable figure and that is what my friend paid after the 3K grant. However I am not certain that they haven't pulled the grant this year so that would put it up to about 10K.

My main take home is that its stupidly good value for money and will out perform just about any cash investment so you would be literally stupid not to do it if you have the cash - regardless of your opinions on climate change.

Im sorry to say he was over charged. But tbf at least he went for it. too many are saying Ireland is not suitable for solar, on the contrary I is perfect for Solar PV.

I'm so glad people with these opinions are in the minority.

You would swear Ireland was the only country that introduced restrictions for Covid. Every country in the world did it. Are you seriously saying you know better.

The horrendously sad story of Joe McCarron encouraged to leave hospital by your like minded covid deniers and then dies 2 days later.

The simple truth is current methods of energy production are not sustainable. The transition will be painful and mistake will be made but the current status quo is not a long term option.

That is the view in every developed nation in the world. Are they all wrong?

Yes the hot water diverter is very helpful, I normally have the oil boiler switched of for 6 months of the year.

The feed in tariff is a total balls up and from what im hearing the smart meters cant count the power sent to the grid from a home solar setup.

It takes a lot of effort to have a **** up that big but our Government dose it with such ease its freighting.

Your mirror is no judge of what everyone else should do! Having less wasted food is a better target.