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Sarah Everard Murder - Serving Met Officer Arrested *Mod Note in OP*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭Xander10


    I suspect there is a substantial back story to Couzens and I do hope the police force are not allowed brush it under the carpet.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    At the very minimum he should have been fired after the first flashing reported.

    Its clear nothing was done, he wasnt even contacted as a private citizen so he did it again and again, this isnt a minor crime, the person flashed at could be badly affected by it.

    we now need to know what action is taken when flashing is reported, the police had Couzens car reg and cctv from Mc Donalds and still did nothing, is it policy that these reports arent followed up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,342 ✭✭✭tara73


    to the point. instead brainless comments from the MET and even from that 'Dick leader'. what a pun, if it wouldn't all be so absolutely disgusting, one could have a little laugh.

    what a f**** up world it is.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,181 ✭✭✭Be right back


    Commander Dick has made several dubious decisions in the last few years and still manages to hold onto her job. Baffling.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,556 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Interestingly, the word 'head' is a surname in Britain, e.g. the actor Anthony Head. If Cressida Dick and got married to a man (which won't happen because her romantic partner is a retired policewoman who was an inspector in the Met) with the surname Head ..... 😉



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  • Registered Users Posts: 33,737 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Another cop in Couzen's unit has now been charged with rape.




  • Registered Users Posts: 250 ✭✭fe1ki5


    I hope the MET has a complete clear out.

    They are "lucky" that it was a rapist murderer they had amongst them who was caught after his first atrocity and not an extremist who could have killed tens of people.

    Nevertheless the stories that have come out show a horrible culture within the force that is being overlooked willingly and knowingly by disgruntled officers who feel that it is above their paygrade to speak up. Older generations who had their packages cut are all too willing to look the other way and wait for the Golden Handshake and the younger generation coming through are in it for the wrong reasons (mostly not all).

    I don't claim to know the solutions but there surely has to be a way to ensure a higher level of integrity amongst the police. Restore their pride in the force and restore our faith in them.

    Perhaps it is all byproduct of these so called budget cuts i don't know but when a woman cannot even be assured of her safety in the presence of a police office, well then we have a problem.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    "I don't claim to know the solutions but there surely has to be a way to ensure a higher level of integrity amongst the police. Restore their pride in the force and restore our faith in them.

    Perhaps it is all byproduct of these so called budget cuts i don't know but when a woman cannot even be assured of her safety in the presence of a police office, well then we have a problem."

    I've heard it reported recently that there was an acceleration in the recruiting and training process' following that spate of terrorist attacks in France and England to bolster numbers and maybe those who may not have made the cut previously slipped through.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,632 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    I've heard it reported recently that there was an acceleration in the recruiting and training process' following that spate of terrorist attacks in France and England to bolster numbers and maybe those who may not have made the cut previously slipped through.

    Jesus that's some shoehorn.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 36,102 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Police protect police, even in this case others on the force knew it was Couzens who killed Sarah before he was ever arrested. There is already a wall of silence going up to protect those in his circles. No one is getting outed, they are getting protected. He wasn't ''Billy no mates'' on the force, he was indeed the leader of the pack, the kingpin in his group of mates, and everyone of them is getting protected now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,651 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Possibly, but is there any evidence to support this.

    No question that he was 'amongst friends' to some degree but if it's true that others knew it was him who killed her then that is a different thing entirely.



  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That's some story there.

    any proof at all to your wild accusations?

    I don't believe for one second there was anyone 'protecting' him!



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,921 ✭✭✭skimpydoo




  • Registered Users Posts: 36,102 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Many of his inner circle knew what he was like, and what he liked, okay they may not have known he'd do what he did, but they knew he was into it, they had a what'sapp group, and he did earn his nickname .



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,380 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    A lot of people have these kinks or fetishes and never cross the line. I’d be very careful to make broad statements against people knowing what he was up to vs what they thought he was into. Big difference.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,921 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Another police officer from the same branch as Couzens was charged with rape today.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    Very concerning. How can people be expected to trust their police.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,754 ✭✭✭PommieBast



    The Met pretty much kissed any sense of trust goodbye when Cassandra Dick got appointed. Her involvement in Stockwell at the very least should have ended her career.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,413 ✭✭✭Homelander


    It kinda beggars belief that when there was incidents including a prostitute turning up at his station demanding payment, openly bringing a prostitute to a colleagues birthday, combined with the reports of flashing and other behaviors, that there were no official flags with this guy.

    More generally, in most of these cases though people can both "know what someone is like" and never for a moment believe it'd ever end up the way it did. It's true of most of the perpetrators of these random, somewhat sexually motivated murders in recent years. Graham Dwyer, the guy who killed Jastine Valdez, for example.

    I don't believe there's an overarching grand conspiracy in this case, though there's a lot to answer given he was a serving member in a sensitive area despite an absolute mountain of evidence of his complete unsuitability for any sort of policing duty.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    But the Police force and responsible for vetting members of the public!!!!, who vetted couzens when he was recruited.

    If he got in so easily how can we be sure other people, especially those in contact with children are vetted.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,380 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    I really don’t know why people get so hung up on him having used prostitutes and having brought one to a work party. That’s completely irrelevant to how someone performs on the actual job.

    I get that the flashing should have raised alarm bells but prostitutes? Come on..



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,181 ✭✭✭Be right back


    A whole life sentence was warranted in this case, instead of the 23 he got.




  • Administrators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,947 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Neyite


    It's concerning for the reason of ethics. Seriously, if any work colleague turned up with a prostitute it's massively inappropriate.

    WC's income and outgoings mean that the sex workers he likely could afford were not the high end escorts who work for themselves and can pick and choose their clients. More than likely the women who he used were pimped, were street workers or worked in a crappy brothel. Statistically those ladies are more vulnerable, and often have substance abuse issues. He was hardly walking into the Christmas party with Pretty Woman on his arm.

    Police are supposed to serve and protect. A police officer would be expected to look out for the vulnerable and marginalised in society, not abuse them further.

    But the fact that his colleagues were unconcerned about his view of women - given his text messages and open use of sex workers - is concerning. It's like the low level sexual harassment and sexualised talk was the norm within the police and they were happy for him to carry on as an unblemished police officer until he just took it too far. But he's clearly had a sexually abusive mindset for a long time and didn't bother too much to hide it at work, so it was obviously tolerated. Now they want to wash their hands off him and pretend he was never one of them. But he was. And they were fine with him being one of them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,495 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    That is hiding in plain sight, there is another element as well he may well have got a 'trill' from testing the boundaries seeing how far he could go know that others were too unsure of what to do it's a power play.

    The only way to stop any of this or at least eliminate as much as possible is much more thorough background checks, any even minor issues with gambling, with alcohol, with drugs, any aggressive behavior, health, checks financial checks, family check, and so on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,181 ✭✭✭Be right back


    He would rather bring a prostitute instead of his wife to a work party? Huge alarm bells on how he viewed women.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,413 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Also, a prostitute literally turned up at his station demanding money and his colleagues had to recall him to deal with it. How could anyone possibly argue that's nothing to do with his job.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Sexualised behaviour that is socially inappropriate is a known red flag which warns someone is more likely to become a sex offender. Even from an early age.

    "Socially inappropriate" means engaging publically in behaviours which are not appropriate for the situation. So a bit of bondage behind closed doors is not a problem. Even at a bondage or swinger's party; grand.

    Turning up to a wedding in arseless leather chaps, or bringing a prostitute (and bragging about it) to a Police colleague's party, is clearly socially inappropriate.

    It indicates that the individual is either unable to understand social boundaries, or literally doesn't care about them. Which in turn indicates a tendency to overstep sexual boundaries and commit sexual offences for their own gratification.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,380 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    A lot of your argument is based on assumptions that the woman in question was an addict/ vulnerable person, which might just not be the case.

    Hookers at a work party are not as uncommon as you think and I’m not surprised this was not reported. I am sure some people judged him morally, but why would you report something that was his personal business?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,442 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Hookers at a work party are not as uncommon as you think and I’m not surprised this was not reported. I am sure some people judged him morally, but why would you report something that was his personal business?

    We must go to very different work parties.



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