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ESB eCars

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,666 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    I’d say they look at Dublin and say everyone can charge at home. No need for fast charging, tourists can charge at hotels , others can slow charge while going about business



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,146 ✭✭✭innrain


    Blanch Sc will have the first HPC for Dublin. Or at least this is the hope. There is an announcement of upgrade works on their FB page starting Monday next.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,729 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    They confirmed it in a subsequent reply. I wonder though will the 150kW unit be limited to 50kW?


    Also, Blanchardstown Shopping Centre........ This is where the 3 spaces where 4 cars can charge will haunt them (haunt us EV Drivers really as eCars don't care).

    Can almost guarantee one of those 3 spots being occupied by someone on AC for hours on end, as there's no overstay on AC.. rendering at least 1 of the DC plugs useless...



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,146 ✭✭✭innrain


    The solution there is to move the pedestrian entrance to the left and allow for 4 EV spaces. Can be done with minimum effort. Considering the HPC costs whats 75k?



  • Moderators Posts: 12,385 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    The solution is to not offer slow AC charging at fast units. Put in some dedicated AC units at their own locations and give yourself a bonus for an ingenious idea.

    Anyone else think Blanchardstown for 150kW is a bit of a crazy idea. It's horrible to get in and out of for a quick top up, and probably better suited to slower fast charging, or maybe Ecars just want the overstay fee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,729 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    100% a terrible location for a 'Tier 1' hub with 150kW unit........

    Go out the N/M3 about 2km beyond Blanchardstown and you have the brand new shiny M3 Services, with not a charger in site.

    Anyone coming into Dublin from the NW direction, stops in for a nice top up before entering the M50...... but no, eCars logic is queue for 30 minutes to get to the 'hub' then queue up for another 30 minutes to get back on the N3.....


    They're a fcuking joke at this stage. They really are a fcuking joke.


    My advice to anyone asking me if they should buy an EV... NO (unless its a Tesla). The network is getting smaller by the day in relation to number of EV's on the roads.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,197 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    LoL, good luck getting a charge there anytime around XMas/busy weekends, will be ICED for sure



  • Moderators Posts: 12,385 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    September Update

    CCS/CHAdeMO split

    My stats say, over the last 2 weeks:

    CHAdeMO has been occupied 30.4% of the time. (11.78 weeks of use) (down 1.1%)

    CCS the other 69.6% of the time (26.92 weeks of use)


    Unit counts

    0 Ultra fast chargers (ESB downgraded them to FAST)

    76 Fast charge units installed (ESB for some reason reclassified loads of Fast units to SCP - they've slowly moved a few back ???)

    588 Slow charge AC units installed (ESB moved loads of FCP to SCP for some unknown reason - they've slowly moved a few back ???)


    283 of the newer 22kW AC units are now in place.

    112 of the old units yet to be replaced, and 11 of those single socket AC units to be replaced too.


    AC updates to the new Evolve Smart T unit

    Adelaide Street, Belfast, Antrim

    Public Parking, Palace Demense Park (A3), Off Friary Road (A3), Armagh, Armagh

    DRD Car Park, Abbey Lane, Off Linenhall Street, Armagh, Antrim

    Public Car Park, Quay Street, Bangor, Down

    BCC Car Park, Cromac Street, Belfast, Antrim

    BCC Car Park, Hope Street North/Bruce Street, Belfast, Antrim

    BCC Car Park, Little Donegall Street, Belfast, Antrim

    Tourist Office Car Park, Market Street (R173), Carlingford, Louth

    Lower Crescent, Belfast, Antrim

    Riverdale, Off High Street, Larne, Antrim

    DRD Car Park, Benson Street, Lisburn, Antrim

    Public Car Park, Bridge Street, Newry, Down

    Hill Street, Newry, Down

    BCC Car Park, Cromac Street, Belfast, Antrim


    AC units upgraded to DC - 38 of the 50 delivered Bit of a vague number, this is 38 of those units installed, but they're being installed at the "hubs" too.


    New FCP

    Texaco (Mace & Supermacs), N4, Ballinalack, Westmeath X2

    Londis O'Briens Mullingar, Lynn Rd, Ballinderry, Mullingar, Westmeath, Ireland

    Public Car Park, N67-Milltown Malbay Road, Lahinch, Clare



    Something i've never really reported on before, the Tethered Type 2 usage is up at 7.62 weeks over the last 2 weeks of usage. Not far behind the 11.78 weeks of CHAdeMO usage, and type 2 tethered is end of life from ecars. From what I have there are 125 Chademo units, and 73 TYPE 2 tethered. Per unit that's pretty even usage.



  • Moderators Posts: 12,385 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    I'd totally recommend an electric car to anyone, but as always, not if they'll regularly have to public charge. Ours (not a tesla) suits all our needs and covers 300-450km on a charge. I've public charged on it out of embarrassment of plugging into my parents house for 30 hours, and both times I had zero queues. I public charged at Decathlon with no queue. Ionity Athlone with no queue. So for someone like me, i'd completely recommend an electric car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,236 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    There probably wont be any more AC at those spots though.

    AC is a dead standard at FCP and is not being installed at the HPCs



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,729 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    yeah, maybe if public charging will be a rarity, but by the time next summer rolls around, there’ll be another 10,000+ EV’s on the road…. So even that rare charging occasion could be a pain in the hoop if you need to wait 45-90 minutes to just get on the charger….


    the most common upgrade eCars are doing is changing some sites from 1x CCS & 1x CHAdeMO to 2xCCS & 2CHAdeMO sites, so basically doubling capacity at random sites that previously had a single 50kW unit… all of which have a serious flaw in that they don’t have a dedicated AC charging space….



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,146 ✭✭✭innrain


    I don't have to. Just take them for a spin on the slip at exit 13 joining M50 northbound



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,729 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    It is being installed though…. The 50kW units they are installing beside the 150kW units all have an AC (bring your own cable) socket on them…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,729 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    This is the newly installed Ballacolla hub…..

    22kW AC as standard at these new sites….


    I can park in any of the 3 spaces, and get my cable out and AC charge there for many hours if I so choose.




  • Moderators Posts: 12,385 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    I know id be fairly alone in doing so, but if I were AC charging at those places, I'd park outside of those 3 bays if I could, and run my cable to the unit. Same with the standalone circontrol raption 50 units



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,870 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    I saw a charger online somewhere recently where it had a cable on each corner. This allowed for 4 vehicles to charge ie 1 at each corner. Would this not work here on the HPC's or is that too much like common sense?



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Delilah Brave Tarantula


    Anyone do Dublin -> Belfast regularly? Am set for the ferry at silly o clock on Wednesday morning and am trying to figure out best spot to get a 'guaranteed' charge at before the ferry.

    Had a look at ecars-stats and looks likes most chargers beyond Dundalk are either extremely rarely available / broken. Best bet to get my last juice @ Dundalk and then top up again straight across the other side?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,887 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Yes, see plugshare for status. You don't mention car and range. Newry has no CCS and ChaDeMo is broken long time. I would allow loads of extra time to charge and queue if needed and even slow charge near Ferry to board ferry with lots of range. Many many chargers in NI are broken so check plugshare app



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Delilah Brave Tarantula


    Ioniq28. Reckon i can charge back to 80% at dundalk and make Belfast port with 25/30% left of juice. Will get topped up somewhere in Scotland just after getting back off the ferry hopefully!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,236 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    yes, you juist need to remember in your head that there are no fast chargers north of the border in NI. If it were me, and I have an Ioniq 28 also, I'd probably charge to 90 at castlebellingham as it would be cold in the morning and the Ioniq28 loses some of its amazing efficiency in the cold



  • Moderators Posts: 12,385 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    Always nice to hear https://ecars-stats.com/ helping/scaring you into better planning your trip.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Delilah Brave Tarantula


    This a perfect use case of it, a pity it's required of course, but still - very useful!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,726 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Are these new BEV sales only or does it also count second hand sales? Currently there are only 2 electric cars you can realistically get second hand, those are the Nissan Leaf (Chademo) and the Renault Zoe (AC43)

    A better representation of data would be if you counted the registrations of BEV's in the last ~10 years to count how many physical cars of each charging standard are on the road



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,236 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Ah. The slow AC, sorry I thought we were talking about fastAC43.

    Yes I see your point now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,729 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    I think it would be fun to pop down to Ballacolla (in my Tesla), and slow charge on AC in one of the 3 eCars spots for a few hours... all while there are 8 Superchargers behind me... just to show up how ridiculous the eCars set up is with only 3 spaces where 4 cars can charge....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,729 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    New BEV sales only.

    Last 10 years... At a guess, I'd say 6,500 Leaf's, 500 older Zoe's so ~7,000 non CCS cars, and about 23,000 CCS cars, so CCS by about a factor of 3::1

    I'm sure someone would have more accurate figures though.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,146 ✭✭✭innrain




  • Moderators Posts: 12,385 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    I wonder how much AC 43 charging is down to "I may a well get some range while I wait"?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,624 ✭✭✭wassie


    The newly opened Holiday Inn Express hotel next to the Circle K at Clonshaugh doesn't have any charging facilities. When I enquired they said they don't have/need any as there are charging facilities at the Circle K!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,729 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Yeah, I did that a few weeks ago after a trip home from Mayo.. needed some fast charge & fast, but an MG taxi was using the CCS, so I plugged in the AC43 (1st time using one), and took the 11kW while I waited. Glad I did it too as the taxi couldn't disconnect as the eCars app went down, and he had no card (was waiting 2/3 weeks). Eventually he was able to stop the charge via a call to eCars, but not before he went +45 minutes.. and managed to get the plug out by locking/unlocking his car.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,729 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    There are 4 EasyGo chargers at the Clayton hotel next door, but surely that Circle K must be next in line to be given Tier 1 or Tier 2 status... and get at least 1x 150kW unit??

    That site, whether its at the Circle K, or at either of the 2 hotels, or on the land surrounding it, is just ripe for a big hub of some sort... Location wise its just perfect. M1/M50 interchange... 2 minutes from the airport....

    I'd love Tesla to put V3 SuC's in there.. would be a game changer for taxi drivers to want go for a Tesla.. Proper 250kW chargers.. and not eCars nonsense. Knocking out 1,000+ km's per day with maybe 2 20 minute charging stops...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,870 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    Is there a charger on the ferry Emmet? Worth checking with the ferry company.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Delilah Brave Tarantula


    Nope, none on Stena. I will ask about plugging the granny cable in - but am absolutely prepared for a PFO.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,197 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    No is the answer when I travelled Belfast-Cairnryan in August



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Delilah Brave Tarantula


    yeah I would say I'm not even giving myself a 10% chance of it being an option.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,624 ✭✭✭wassie


    Just put on a high-vis vest and connect up and no one will bother you! 😜



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,939 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Chuck an impeller driven generator off the back railing and run an extension lead to the car 😁

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users Posts: 1 gerry_atric


    Hi folks, 

    I got my Tesla Model 3 LR back in March 2020, I love it and I will never go back to petrol/diesel.

    However I have no possible way at to charge at home (apartment, believe me I’ve tried… a topic for another thread, another day), so since getting the car I have been about 99% reliable on the public network - mainly ESB eCars. And it’s been fairly OK…. Up until the last couple of months….

    So far in 2021 I have charged up over 2700kWh with eCars alone but it is starting to get really difficult. I knew once Covid restrictions ended it would be trickier finding available chargers, but now with the massive increase in new electric cars around (mainly ID4 by the looks of it), charging is becoming a nightmare for me.

    Between chargers showing as available on the app but actually being broken when you get there and there being so few available a lot of the time, it is very clear that there are just not enough charging points. (Strangely enough I have very little issues with ICEing in my area.)

    I usually charge on the 22kW chargers and if those are unavailable on the 7kW ones (why on earth are these the same price per unit as 22kW btw?), and then occasionally on the 50kW units. However the 50kW units create an issue for me, 45mins is very often not long enough for me to get the desired amount of charge. So twice I have decided it was worth my while to pay the overstay of €5 and both times I was then cut off at exactly 1 hour. Is there anywhere that states that you can’t continue to charge beyond 1 hour, even if you’re happy to pay the overstay fee? (And I never bother to slow charge at the 50kW chargers because I would end up blocking one of the spaces for far too long).

    I really hope eCars are planning on rolling out A LOT more chargers (of any description) because this is going to become an absolute nightmare for a lot of people in the very near future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,729 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    You know that eCars have already stated that there will be No New AC sites being installed…… so what we have is what we’ll get.


    the hope is EasyGo will continue rolling out AC charge points where they are needed!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭cunnifferous


    Not to rain on your parade but buying an electric car without home charging is madness! I would put all your energy into trying to sort that because relying on the public charging network for regular charging is not going to be enjoyable



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,146 ✭✭✭innrain


    If it helps you're not alone. I do this since April 2019. I appreciate how easy life is to have your own charger but I manage. Quite well considering we gave up having a petrol back up and got a second EV. I used to charge at ecars 50kW quite often. If I check plugshare checkins you'd think I'm the sole user of some chargers. Don't see the point to overstay as you are going back in few days anyway. Since May I haven't used their rapid chargers. Last attempt was the botched test of J14 hub.

    Trying to say something positive about ecars... high resistance



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,939 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Do you mind sharing which part of the country you're in? Given you seem to have a choice of chargers that seems to indicate Dublin or another city, as many towns have 2 AC chargers at most


    There's definitely no appetite for AC chargers from ESB at the moment. There seems to be some shenanigans going on between councils and ESB regarding charging as well

    I remember an article some months ago about how Dublin city council wanted to install chargers, contracted it out to ESB who had installed some AC units but hadn't commissioned them for several months


    So it seems to be a massive game of pass the buck for public AC charging. Best progress seems to be on private chargers like EasyGo installing chargers at Lidls

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,939 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I guess ESB have had fewer major IT outages than Facebook in 2021. That's... positive, I guess?

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,624 ✭✭✭wassie


    I found eCars was madness over the summer months as the country re-opened up travelling between the major towns, but settled down last month. 30,000kms of EV experience since December has taught me to always be adaptable on the eCars network and have plan B (and occasionally a plan C).

    Ive been caught myself a few times by the 45mins leaving me short of a full charge, but I've used it much more in my favour to be able to plan whilst on the go. Knowing what time an occupied charger approaches the 45 mins allows me to take a punt to roll up and wait a few minutes before getting hooked up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,729 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    The problem with the 45 minute limit is that if you knew there was another charger 90 minutes further up the road, and you were sure you’d get on it and not need to queue, you’d happily take the 45 minutes and toddle on up the road (ala Tesla when multiple SuC’s are along the route).


    the reality is you are plugged into an eCars unit and there’s no guarantee and little confidence that the next charger will indeed be available, so you feel you have to take what you’ll need there and then….


    driving down to Cork, are you stopping into Ballacolla and getting enough charge over 55 minutes to get you all the way to Kinsale? Or just enough (35 minutes) to get you to Cashel for the next charge?


    in the Tesla, I’ll happily plan to arrive at a SuC at less than 10%…. But would you take that chance solely relying on eCars?

    Post edited by AndyBoBandy on


  • Moderators Posts: 12,385 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    I could probably pull those stats out. See the usage trend over time



  • Moderators Posts: 12,385 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    Usage certainly went up, but it's not gone back down, just tapered off.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,560 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    There's an install of 6 or 7 street-lamp type chargers going on in Sandyford Business Park right now. All are bright-green with what looks to be a single (?) type-2 socket at about 3-foot high. I didn't see ESB branding on the vans, so I presume that's DLR-CoCo installing them through a contractor?

    Anybody have any details on what the spec is?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,939 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I believe they're 7kW units, I know the councils were looking at them a while back

    They're a good idea but not exactly a universal solution, looking around my estate a lot of the light posts aren't in great locations to park

    Still, if it can enable charging in a few housing estates then all the better

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,560 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    It looked to me like the posts were being relocated to the verge of the grass.

    There may have been two charging sockets per post, couldn't tell as I drove past at a crawl.



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