What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

Say a war broke out here, ourselves and The Brits, they invade, persecution is rife, if that’s the case wed go to the first safe place. Apply for asylum.

Kabul for example is approximately 8100 kilometers away from Dublin.

While New York is approximately 5100 kilometers away from Dublin. That’s a perspective of the distance travelled.

We are just about the most western outlying EU state, further in time and kilometers from Afghanistan then anywhere else in the EU...

that leads you to believe that safety while is a consideration, other factors lead these people to make such an effort to get in here, seeking ‘asylum’

Asylum : the ‘protection’ granted by a state to someone who has left their home country as a refugee...asylum is protecting people, if people want protecting, bypassing every other EU country is a bit odd..

TBH, If I was the Syrian regime, I would exclude the US entirely as well. Even apart from the US being an outspoken enemy of the Syrian regime, they are too closely linked to Israel which is a strategic enemy of Syria - and indeed all surrounding Arab states. Whatever money the US would promise would be linked to demands aimed to destabilise or weaken the Syrian regime to further the interests of their Israeli ally. If I was Assad, dealing with a US regime that up until a few months ago dreamt of seeing me and my family facing the same fate as Gaddafi, I'd not trust them to tell me what day of the week it was.

Where I think the EU could have a different mindset is that despite the empty headed Merkel rhetoric, the EU acknowledges the Syrian doctors/scientists/engineers have outstayed their welcome. It is a realpolitik objective - and realpolitik tends to be a language dictatorships can understand, trust and work with.

One of the reasons mass immigration leads to ghettoisation is because immigrants are generally aware that they’re not welcome in the countries they immigrate to. Like anyone in that situation they’re going to seek out their own people for safety and support. The reason multiculturalism has been a dismal failure in other European countries is simply because politicians on the one hand were desperate to portray themselves among the international community as humanitarians, while also trying to appease the electorate who vote for them. Therein lies the contradiction.

Ireland hasn’t the history nor politics of other European countries for starters, and we’re not likely to see any sort of mass immigration effect like other European countries have seen in the same period of the last 50 years. The current system in Ireland though, is failing everyone. And it’s not failing because of any number of immigrants trying to game the system. It’s failing because the State just isn’t getting value for money for what it’s spending on trying to control immigration.

I’m not suggesting any sort of Utopian Star Trek ideal though at all, I just don’t see any reason to treat people any different than I would anyone else is all, regardless of where they’re from. It’s true I haven’t travelled to other countries like other posters here who have witnessed and experienced people being subjected to all sorts of inhumane treatment, which has obviously coloured their beliefs about people from those countries, but for me that means that I don’t have the same biases as they do and I’m not inclined to prejudge people as being guilty of any malice on the basis of their ethnic or cultural background. It’s like when Dara O’ Brian was asked why doesn’t he make jokes about Muslims -

I don’t know the first fcuking thing about Muslims either! I’m the same about Hindus -

Ireland already deports plenty of illegal immigrants, and to present it as though both issues can’t be addressed at the same time is just being dishonest. You’re smart enough to know that one issue has no bearing on the other, which is why I just don’t believe that you think that failing to deport immigrants without a right to appeal the decision or seeking to accommodate immigrants is denying anyone else accommodation or housing. Everyone in need of housing is assessed using the same criteria on the basis of need, and either they’re eligible for accommodation, or they’re not. Bogus asylum seekers aren’t eligible for accommodation, they’re deported, and even what appear to be legitimate migrants applications are thoroughly investigated when they apply for a visa. By the way you’re talking you’d swear Ireland were only too happy to welcome every Tom, Dick and Harry to Ireland. That couldn’t be further from reality, and the process of deportation takes however long it takes depending upon the circumstances in each and every case -

I hate thinking it, I feel even worse saying it out loud, but it really does feel like some people are opposed to immigrants coming into the country purely out of spite, or just to break their balls. I don’t believe for a minute they imagine Muslims are generally fundamentalist fcukwits, as though they need people to ignore the reality of the thousands of Muslims or immigrants who live in other European countries who are only trying to get by, and trying to present extremists as the norm, and they try to paint Irish society as a homogeneous identity, as though it’s actually so simple. If it were, would we even be having this conversation? Clearly there are plenty of Irish people who have a different set of values than the minority who claim that Muslims are a threat to Irish society.

It smacks of insecurity tbh to argue that any group are threat to the value of their own cultural, national or ethnic identity, and I’m not surprised that historically speaking it’s always come from leftists who argue for change for what appears to be just for the hell of it and don’t know what to do with themselves next, as has happened in other European countries, but Irish society has traditionally been a conservative society, which is why immigrants coming from conservative societies tend to fit in here better than they do in other European countries. We share similar values in common.

They appeal they get to stay if they have not committed a serious crime .

You should be ashamed for asking such questions.

Only 5 deported so far this year . I fail to understand the excuse they cannot deport migrants because of covid . The rates in African countries and Pakistan are much lower . You quote one example of an asylum seeker who was deported not because of a crime , perhaps he was one of the 5 ! I assume you have seen how difficult it is to even deport IS sympathisers and operatives .

Deportation orders are very different from actual deportations .

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/five-deportation-orders-issued-so-far-in-2021-compared-to-883-in-2020-data-1.4559659

Because its the capital of Belgium...home of the Belgian people

Would you be happy if it happened in Dublin....which if anything I've seen in the last few years we're well under way

You quoted the bit where I said Ireland has neither the history nor politics of other European countries, I took that to be part of what you were saying isn’t true. You also quoted where I said that we’re not likely to see the same mass immigration effect seen in other European countries in the last 50 years, which I also took as you saying wasn’t true. Then you made the point that Ireland has a higher immigrant population than any other European country, and I thought what’s that got to do with what I said?

I’m using the same stat, and the same year, and the only reference that comes close to your 18% figure is the Irish stat for 2016 of 17.3% -

The number of Irish residents born outside Ireland continued to increase and stood at 810,406 in 2016, an increase of 43,636 on the 2011 figure. In April 2016, persons born abroad accounted for 17.3 per cent of the population, up from 17 per cent in 2011.

I also checked whether we have a higher immigrant population than practically every other European country, because it sounded like BS tbh. We don’t.

It’s true I did ask what mass immigration effect Ireland has experienced in the last 50 years, and your telling me my own information is self-explanatory, doesn’t explain anything. I’m still left with the impression you have a different understanding of mass immigration effect than I do. Maybe if I gave an example of the Windrush generation in the UK, you might give a similar example in Ireland and I might better understand where you’re coming from?

Sure you wouldn't care anyway Bubbly, by your own admission if the Irish were a minority in their own country you wouldn't think that a negative. Becoming a grey homogenous blob culturally is not something that appeals to everyone, some people actually like their country.