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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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#15002 03-10-2021 11:08pm
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How does the vaccine lower the chance of being infected....honest question ...if three people are stuck in a lift, one has covid and is shedding , one is fully vaccinated and one non vaccinated. Surely both people will contract covid ...the severity of covid and recovery time, I propose could be different in both people...

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#15003 03-10-2021 11:11pm
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What do you mean; surely both will contract covid?
Why does it necessarily follow that either of them would contract covid?
It's not that successful as to have 100% success rates in transmission.

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#15004 03-10-2021 11:12pm
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It's just a hypothetical situation

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#15005 03-10-2021 11:42pm
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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117972705#Comment_117972705

Both, neither or either could end up contracting COVID (if the already infected person was vaccinated, the amount they shed would also likely be less, all other things being equal), the vaccinated person is more likely to avoid infection of the two due to the presence of SARS-COV2 antibodies.
Remember that SARS-COV2 is the virus, COVID-19 is the disease.

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#15006 03-10-2021 11:50pm
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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117972768#Comment_117972768

I agree with most of your statement...My understanding of this is ....the vaccine doesn't prevent infection but your potential to fight the infection should be higher if you develop antibodies as your say

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#15007 04-10-2021 12:02am
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This is general, but there is nothing that can stop the physical act of a virus being passed to someone if the virus is around, but the vaccines enable the immune system to kill and eliminate the virus before infection occurs in that individual:
Understanding How Vaccines Work | CDC

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#15008 04-10-2021 12:23am
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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117972805#Comment_117972805

Maybe antigen testing should go hand and hand with the proposed booster program to gauge the vaccine response in the vaccinated population

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#15009 04-10-2021 1:14am
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It boils my blood because "her personal choice" to be unvaccinated effects us all. She knows she is positive for covid and is mixing with the public, not isolating and knowingly spreading a deadly infectious disease. That's what boils my blood.

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#15010 04-10-2021 7:55am
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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117972901#Comment_117972901

It might be infectious but deadly it is not to almost everyone. The good news is that having had COVID that mortal danger has passed and you can reset your blood pressure.

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#15011 04-10-2021 8:39am
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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117972515#Comment_117972515

Vaccination does not stop you transmitting the virus, those are the facts.
There are plenty of elderly people who the vaccine doesnt protect who are in shops and restaurants, their immune systems are weak so no matter how many boosters they get they will still catch covid and pass it on. You are in as much danger from catching covid from them as you are from an unvaccinated person.
Children are superspreaders too and they are unmasked in restaurants and wandering around shops, masks are nonsense at this point, we just need someone with the courage to make a decision on them, we will be waiting.!!!!!!

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#15012 04-10-2021 9:38am
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It doesn't stop, it does significantly reduce the chances of transmission so that less people get infected and if they're vaxxed, they pass on to less people, which keeps the R number below 1 and stop the virus spreading out of control, this is the case for all vaxxed groups all the way to the elderly vs. non-vaxxed. Children will also transmit less to vaccinated adults then unvaccinated adults.
18 months in, 10 months since vaccines and people still spouting absolute sh*te about transmission vaxxed vs. unvaxxed.

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#15013 04-10-2021 9:40am
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Sorry but I’ve absolutely wet myself laughing reading this! Zero covid my arse!!!!
New Zealand drops Covid zero goal after Delta outbreak
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/1004/1250545-new-zealand-covid/

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#15014 04-10-2021 9:44am
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There's already multiple controlled studies occurring looking into this, there's not really much Ireland can add to this by using antigen testing (most studies will use the PCR test to get more accurate numbers), that's not saying that antigen testing couldn't be used for other things, but I suspect their time has passed as contract tracing and testing starts to wind down anyway.

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#15015 04-10-2021 10:02am
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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117973340#Comment_117973340

What's so funny about it?

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#15016 04-10-2021 10:10am
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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117973442#Comment_117973442

The choice of photo is the most hilarious

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#15017 04-10-2021 10:54am
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Probably a level of schadenfreude that our own homegrown Zero COVID zealots have come to the end of the road. There's also a level of I told you so for some people. These things make some people laugh. Most of all there's a sense of relief at the confirmation that such a strongly defended singular approach ultimately does not deliver.

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#15018 04-10-2021 10:59am
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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117973340#Comment_117973340

Another liberal zealot made look dumb is always a good thing.

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#15019 04-10-2021 11:12am
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I guess one might think New Zealand looks silly if one believes that changing your mind or changing your plans is a sign of failure.
By virtually all metrics, New Zealand handled the pandemic hundreds of times better than anyone in Europe or the US. Having to alter their approach now doesn't diminish that fact and doesn't mean the approach was always the wrong one.

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#15020 04-10-2021 11:19am
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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117973742#Comment_117973742

One needs to attribute a level of that success to the comfort of a very isolated location and sparse population. As a model it is not suitable for most of the world.

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#15021 04-10-2021 11:25am
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No, absolutely. And I've said that throughout; the approach was right for NZ but would never have worked here.
Nevertheless, it was still a bold decision for a politician to have made. Admitting that it's no longer viable doesn't make it a failed policy.

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#15022 04-10-2021 12:14pm
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Hopefully thats the end of Zero Covid strategy arguments, it might have worked in early days on an island like NZ, but if we want any form of normal life back, Vaccinations are the only way forward.

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#15023 04-10-2021 12:18pm
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Changing plans makes you the opposite of a zealot and dumb.
The initial US response and Brazil response would be more in line with "dumb" and being zealots. Even now there's lots of stupid americans dying because their idiot in chief told them to ignore the virus and downplayed the vaccines effect by stoking even dumber conspiracies.

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#15024 04-10-2021 12:18pm
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It was never going to work unless they shut the country down with no one entering and no one leaving . Basically an island prison

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#15025 04-10-2021 1:26pm
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No, "owning the libtards" is all that matters. 700,000 Americans dead, more than in the spanish flu in a world with vastly superior healthcare and for 10- months now, availability of an effective vaccine. At the end of the day, all the matters is a Pyrrhic victory over the libs

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#15026 04-10-2021 2:59pm
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In times of the Spanish flu etc life expectancy would have been about sixty years.
We are talking now about the deaths of people in their late eighties and nineties.
I have relatives in the States, they arent fussed about the high numbers of deaths of the very elderly, its dog eat dog out there and the economy trumps everything.
Trump wasnt annilated at the polls and if vaccines had arrived a bit earlier he would still be President.
The Americans will do exactly the same again should another pandemic come, I would stop fretting about them if I was you.

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#15027 04-10-2021 3:08pm
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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117974363#Comment_117974363

The population of America that time was around 90 million, lot of news networks fail to mention it.

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#15028 04-10-2021 3:41pm
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I don't think anyone is fretting about what the yanks are doing tbh, let them at it. I think most normal people are just hopeful that that level of thinking and empathy (or lack of) some states have doesn't permeate over here too much.

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#15029 04-10-2021 3:57pm
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There is no welfare safety net in the States,no such thing as Local Authorities buying luxury apartments in nice areas for people who dont work.
Everyone who can afford it pays for private health insurance,thats the way the system works.
There were very little tears shed for the very elderly who died and I doubt if any national day of mourning or extra bank holidays are being talked about, Most US citizens get very little annual leave and many work into their eighties. Its everyone for themselves out there,its an enormous country and per capita was their death rate much worse than ours.
Its time for us to get on with things now, we have thousands waiting for elective procedures and thousands more with undiagnosed cancer, its ludicrous to be suggesting we should give health care staff extra leave or more money for doing their job in a pandemic,by all means give them a one for all voucher for a 100euros, at least that money will be spent locally so the shop owners who had their doors closed for months can make a few bob.
Its not lack of empathy thats making people question why we shut the country for so long, its asking ourselves what it was all about, closing construction when we havent enough houses, closing driver testing centres to the general public and now we have huge waiting lists,closing schools to even special needs children and closing respite services for adults with special needs and sending them home to drive elderly parents to despair, the fallout will go on and on.

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#15030 04-10-2021 4:57pm
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Significant drop in cases today https://twitter.com/RobOHanrahan/status/1445054610046128129?s=19

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#15031 04-10-2021 5:33pm
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Someone in this thread last week predicted we would get below 1000 this week. 892 today, I didn't think we would for some months, fair play we are in the right direction.

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