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Data Centre carbon emissions and impact on Ireland's energy needs

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,261 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    That still means the actual carbon footprint and environmental destruction is here.

    Please explain how these centres destroy the local environment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,866 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    The more I read, the more I think we are being taken for a ride by the EU.

    Load the bank debt onto the Irish.

    Load the data centre CO2 onto the Irish.

    What are the Irish good at?

    tech jobs - not for long when we sort the taxes out

    Beef farming - reduce that. Those cows are destroying the environment.

    Peat - stop that, it's destroying the environment. Better they import it from Germany.

    Fishing - we will have that thanks.

    If Ireland is not being allowed to account of all this CO2 from other countries data storage when dealing with carbon targets and fines, well I can only think that the whole carbon tax idea is a joke on the ordinary man.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    There is no point in blaming the EU we are Goverened from Dublin... Blame us for not demanding that we have proper infastructure... we have limited rail and public transport... I read a few weeks ago that Government were going to concentrate on public transport... i read today that that the new rail system in Dublin is pretty well stalled...

    Data... I expect there is some financial benefit with having these centres to help with the loss of this tax change thats coming... if i am correct the EU will be able to have another go at us in the future...

    Dont blame the EU... blame you and me... we bailed out the banks and the developers and the Government said nothing in our favour only blame the trioca.... 1 year after they were gone we were back to our old ways....

    We bailed the banks and the bankrupt developers... we now have pretty well the same developers selling houses to vulture funds that got planning for homes for Irish people...

    The monster you mention is living here not in Europe...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,943 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    you know it’s not cloud computing for Ireland yes? It’s for Amazon and Microsoft customers globally, and you’re paying for it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭PeadarCo


    And what do Amazon and Microsoft sell? Cloud storage. It might not be their headline product but its something both have invested heavily in in recent years. Microsoft have been integral to enabling people to work from home with their cloud servers. All this data has to be stored somewhere. The reason its called the "cloud" is because the data is held not on your own device/on site server but in a remote data center like what they build in Ireland. In Microsoft case they have invested heavily in cloud computing. Look at Microsoft Office 365 and how heavily cloud computing is baked into its functionality. All that means data centers. So yes Ireland is known for cloud computing because large data centers are at the core of cloud computing. Without them cloud computing wouldn't work.

    The same of stuff like Netflix and related services. One of the reasons you can have such high speed download speeds are data centers spread across the world that enable data to be stored relatively close to its users.

    And if your issue is which global customers using these data centers its being absolutely hypocritical when it comes to global warming. Ireland due to its geography and natural resources outsources most of its heavy industry to the rest of the world ie oil production,car manufacturing, mining etc.

    On a global scale one of the best ways of managing green house emissions is to minimise energy use. If data centers use less energy when built in Ireland when compared to the rest of the world its better for the environment. Assuming you want to keep all the things that data centers enable(such as this website). Its even better if a huge portion of that energy comes from renewable sources.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,197 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Because they use free air cooling and the roofs aren’t fully available, also to be honest they’d get very little.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    Thats kinda what the guy i met who ownes the company was saying as he was talking about ducting and fans so it kinda fits with what you say...

    Oddly enough i seen Boris an hour ago on CH4 news talking about not buying carbon credits....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,943 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    We’re paying for it

    they’re not paying enough tax



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,882 ✭✭✭Birdnuts


    Do you believe wind energy developments should get a free pass when it comes to adhering to EU directives on habitats, birds etc?? I suggest you read up on the daily fines Ireland is paying for multiple failures on windfarm planning such as the Derrybrein case etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭PeadarCo


    The statement on tax is an economic question not an environmental question and a discussion for a different forum.

    What do you mean are paying for data centers? Whats the evidence behind that statement?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,866 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    We are governed from Dublin. That is only true in terms of optics. Realistically, the decisions are made in Europe and the government here makes the small decisions between departments etc.

    We know for a fact Michael Noonan was on the verge of making a speech saying bondholders would lose their money when EU under threat of bankrupting the country gave him no choice but to give the opposite speech.

    I agree that as a nation we are getting taken for a ride again and again. What is the answer though?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 94,516 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    There's a Tory party conference on so expect lots of sabre rattlin' talk from Boris & co.

    They are still going about immigration even though they've always had complete control over non-EU immigration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado



    You call it what you like but he ia PM and he said it live on the news... This thread is not about immigration...

    We need to wake up we are being told farmers, motorists, householders are to be hit with taxes because of carbon omissions... The same people who are doing this are allowing the energy we are paying tax on to be used by Corporate companies who only work for the shareholders...

    We are the shareholders of this Country and we need to have a say...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    If the Government are only making small decisions what are all the politicians doing...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭M three


    For starters the amount of green area they are wiping out. Have you seen the amount of farmland the facebook data centres in damastown/clonee have expunged?

    Must be in the hundreds of acres at this stage.





  • Interesting idea to have floating data centres in the sea. Plenty of cooling water in summer. Don’t think it will take on here any time soon, trying to stabilise the platforms would be an issue - though might happen some time in Denmark. 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    I think farming causes more carbon... well according to current Gobernment as farming is getting hit as is all energy...

    There is an Electric station beside but i recon it must be using solar/wind so the whole thing works well...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,261 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    You mean this centre, covering just 11 hectares? Blanchardstown Retail centre covers more than 3 times that area. Is that a destruction of the environment too?

    Google Maps




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    All new homes are required to have renewable energy so I imagine similar rules apply to data centres so I presume solar panels are common on data centres but it would be a drop in the ocean of their demand. Distract heating works grand but Ireland is a rather mild climate for it and it requires tearing up everything to install it. You can't retrofit it so easily. Normally it is problem better just to insulate/ airtight new builds. Now if you have apartment towers or swimming pools nearby that might be a bit different.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    Can you provide a breakdown of data centre electricity usage in Ireland vs in other climates? ireland doesnt seem so cold when you exclude the wind factor which I guess has little impact on big blocky data centres. See map of average yearly temperature.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    I cannot figure out how we are being told that there is a shortage of Electricity and that at the same time we are going to be building data-centers for multinationals to use up the already scarce resource...

    For me should not even considering building any of these until the state owned ESB have guaranteed supply for the people who live on the Island...

    For me the Government need to get to grips with this as the housing situation developed over the last 5 years and the average Irish couple with both professional jobs cannot buy a house at the moment... I dont want to see a situation where there is a data centre down the road and i have a candle...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,906 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    Who is "we" i know certainly have no say but i am allowed on election...

    I complained on here a few years ago about "Cuckoo Funds" the last time i posted the mods closed the tread...

    We get what we deserve...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,906 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    we dont truly get what we deserve, the world moves in mysterious ways, and you can be damn sure, the wealthier you are, the more the world moves in your favor!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,197 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    It’s not up to the state owned ESB. You need to point the finger at the correct people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,197 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    no, tax has nothing to do with it. A data Center has nothing to do with tax avoidance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,197 ✭✭✭✭ted1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    I expect they pay for carbon credits to offset... so i expect its actual cost beneficial to exchequer...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,906 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    wanna bet! economists mark blyth and eric lonergan have a lot to be saying about such ventures! most wealth generated from data centers is largely untaxed, hence why both believe we urgently need to get the finger out, and start taxing them! energy guslars, tax avoiders, poor job creators.... do we really need to go further here....



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