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High ranking Gardai homes raided by the NBCI

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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,057 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    That is not a coincidence.

    A number of Gardaí of my acquaintance would've known well the charged person when he was in the job and he had quite a unique reputation.

    If anyone has ever seen the movie 'LA Confidential', think Kevin Spacey's character, Sgt. Jack 'Gentleman' Vincennes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭tdf7187


    At the risk of stating the obvious (though it is clearly not obvious to some posters here) , if high level drug barons have been operating with more-or-less impunity until the feud (and they obviously have), then it's also obvious that there has been high level AGS corruption. I mean, the question of "Is there a lot of corruption within AGS?" strikes me as one of those "Is the Pope a Catholic?", "Does a bear **** in the woods?" questions. Duh!

    Honestly and truly, and I don't mean to offend anyone, but why are some posters here only just discovering this? (Obviously, I am not saying they are ALL corrupt, before some AGS defender starts shrieking.)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭tdf7187


    And did the "number of Gardai of your acquaintance" do anything about it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭tdf7187


    The fact that they can retire in their early 50's is another issue that needs reform (with the exception of those that have been legitimately signed off on long term sick leave or retired early due to illness or injury specifically caused by performing their duties - a relatively small %), though Drew can't solve everything.

    No-one else has those privileges, with the possible exception of hedge fund traders or IT development millionaires. And the latter work harder for it than most guards.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭tdf7187


    I don't think him losing the seat was anything to do with reform of AGS tbh. I think he tried to do too much as Minister for Justice and had too many other responsibilities, so took his eye off the ball regarding his own re-election prospects.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,057 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Do what about what?

    He was a Garda and a "socialite", that was unusual. He retired exactly on his minimum pensionable age of 50, despite being something of a rising star, that was unusual.

    Despite what you may think you have read between the lines of my post, living a somewhat atypical lifestyle is not a criminal offence.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,187 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    AFAIK hedge fund traders or it experts don't have to chase after skanks or take them on in a scrap on a Saturday night!



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,427 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    There was a certain other detective garda in league with drug dealers that had a wife and daughter very fond of the social scene. The daughter did quite well out of it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,057 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    You're talking nonsense.

    Gardaí have broken their backs trying to bring down drug barons since the term was invented. The RA, the Dunnes, Martin Cahill, John Gilligan, John Traynor, the Westies, the Keanes and Collopys, Fatso et al.

    Its hasn't always been successful, but since the CAB was set up after Veronica Guerin in 1996, they have put huge dents in their funds and chased most of them off the island or locked them up. Kinahan/Hutch is just the latest generation to rise from the embers of previous empires and as long as ordinary 9-5ers in this Country think a little bag of white goes hand in hand with a good weekend, that will never stop.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭tdf7187


    Similarly, neither do most guards. So they have that in common with hedge fund traders and indeed IT experts!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭tdf7187


    Tis interesting. Harris's escorts attracted some negative media commentary at the time (*) The impression some were trying to convey was along the lines of "who does he think he is?"

    Given what has transpired since, I'm minded to think that criminal gangs in league with his own internal enemies were the threat. I am an Irish nationalist, a proud 32 republican who wishes to see a 32 county republic through entirely peaceful means, who thought from early on that Harris was the right person for the role. Nothing that has happened since has dissuaded me from that opinion.




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,387 ✭✭✭jippo nolan




  • Registered Users Posts: 12,493 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    There is a divide between the Gardai of 20/30 years ago and today which is a good thing, thing likes this and a few similar are signals to any who has anything to hide even if it is minor, you will see a different type getting promoted.



  • Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    well laaaaa-deeee-dawwwwww


    that was some retirement bash for a lowly Super- tell us more.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,057 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I don't know much more than that and even if I did I wouldn't be posting it here with charges having being laid. The boys were junior detectives at the time, they didn't work directly under Murphy, but under the one roof. His lifestyle was known, it was a subject of station gossip, the description of the retirement party is enough to tell you why.

    They also say that as a fella who retired in 2010, he would've paid for that party in the Aviva himself. Which also says many things.



  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You have no issue with a foreign police force driving around the country, in their vehicles with their firearms?

    The.commissioner had his own close protection escort, provided by AGS, picked by himself personally.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭Northernlily




  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You have no idea how Garda investigation units work.......



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,654 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    It doesnt matter how long he is gone from the job when its the job that gave him connections to criminals which he then used in his 'retirement'. In fact the longer he has been out of the force the more his activities got way more serious.

    This is off the back of Gerry Hutch being arrested in Spain and seized phones being forensically analysed. It seems this retired senior Garda detective superintendent was working for Hutch and using his contacts within the Gardai to find out information that was helpful to him. As well as storing drugs worth 600k in his house.

    An alleged working relationship between a former senior Garda officer and members of the Hutch organised crime group has prompted an investigation that resulted in the retired officer’s arrest last week and the suspension of a serving member of the Garda force.


    The Irish Times understands the former senior officer had contacts with Hutch gang members during his time working in the force. Such dealings between Garda members and criminals are not unusual and would not lead to suspicion once they were properly registered and recorded and conducted within protocols.


    However, detectives from the National Bureau of Criminal Investigation (NBCI) are now trying to determine if the former officer maintained those contacts after his retirement up to the point of aiding the criminals. Specifically, gardaí are investigating if serving members of the force passed information to their retired colleague, which was then provided to Hutch gang members to enhance the activities of that crime group. Phone records and searches on the Garda’s Pulse database were now being reviewed as part of the investigation.


    Last Wednesday a Garda team searched five properties in Dublin, including the homes of the retired Garda officer and the two serving gardaí. Cannabis valued at €600,000 and about €47,000 in cash was found at a property linked to the retired officer.

    This is pretty serious stuff but Im not surprised by it either. There has always been suspicions that Gardai are in the pockets of both the Hutch and Kinahan drug cartels and making huge amounts of money out of the drug trade.

    There was also a Detective Superintendent who committed suicide with his own gun in Ballymun Garda station in 2018 while he was the lead investigator into the Regency Hotel attack. We've still had no explanation for why that happened and what led him to that course of action. The trial of Patrick Hutch for the Regency attacks collapsed as a result.

    The trial of Gerry is set to be explosive, Id say a few retired and serving Gardai are sh1tting themselves at the can of worms that is going to get opened.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,057 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Colm Fox committed suicide, because he was doing the work of two or three men and had a massive shortage of experienced Detective Inspectors available to him to share the load and to progress cases around The Regency incident.

    It was widely known that the would-be defence team were putting it about that they had an ace in the hole, that they claimed was as a result of Garda errors.

    Colm Fox killed himself because he was one of the most committed cops that ever served and couldn't take the stress that a mistake on his watch, in his command, might be responsible for the case collapsing. It was a tragedy.

    Never, not once, was it suggested that Fox was dirty, because he was not and I don't want to see it hinted at ever again here.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,975 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Wonder if the hutches were in attendance?

    Murphy was certainly boosting his pension, hopefully they throw the book at him and the network of corrupt guards that were involved.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭Mav11


    Is it unusual that he would only be charged with possession, given that the reports say that in the region of €600k was found?



  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That's just a holding charge. A file will be sent to the DPP, who will direct on charges.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,187 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Still the guards deserve every penny they get for having to not flatten every " I know my rights, Dolores Cahill" type of gobshyte poking a camera phone in their faces!



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    So instead of a mistake collapsing the case, he killed himself, and collapsed the case. Sounds reasonable.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr



    He killed himself cos someone made a mistake? That sounds rational



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,427 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    a mistake he felt responsible for because he was in charge.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭tdf7187


    Did you personally know Colm Fox?

    On your second point, as I suspect you know perfectly well, the posters you refer to were obviously not claiming that the view that suicide is not a reasonable or rational course of action is a great insight. They were suggesting that they are sceptical about the publically declared reasons regarding Colm Fox's suicide. I share their scepticism, as do, frankly, most people with any commonsense.

    It is certainly possible that Colm Fox committed suicide due to being overworked, but, frankly, it's distinctly unlikely. It simply doesn't pass the smell test.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,493 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    This could either be viewed as one or two bad apples or else its culture? I am sure the vast majority do a good job, but culture does play a part in lot of this, have to laugh at people saying if they suspected why didn't they do anything what exactly were they to do without hard evidence?, although surely someone living life beyond their means as a Garda should be a red flag?

    Also, did they really think there would never be any consequences? greedy and very confined that they would never be caught comes to mind?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 27,880 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    It is not just gardai:

    "Certain public servants are required to retire early for operational reasons. These comprise members of An Garda Síochána, Prison Officers, Firefighters and members of the Permanent Defence Force. Collectively this group is sometimes referred to as the “uniformed pension fast accrual” group. The minimum pension age and compulsory retirement age for members of the uniformed pension fast accrual group are lower than for standard public servants."

    Also psychiatric nurses are included in this group.



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