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So is "Irish Edmund" an appropriate nickname for one of Ireland's foremost sports superstars?

  • 04-10-2021 10:43pm
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    As you may or may not know, renowned coach to Conor McGregor, John Kavanagh, has acquired the pseudonym "Irish Edmund".

    For non-followers of this sport, this is a satirical alias, making reference to a US based coach "Edmond Tarverdyan", who coached probably the most famous female UFC competitor to date in "Ronda Rousey".

    However he became the object of much criticism and slander in UFC circles, as his questionable coaching tactics were thought by many to inadvertently cause additionally the swift demise of Rousey's brief but illustrious stint in the UFC (i.e. what many attribute to his general incompetency and ill advised tactics).

    What's important to bear in mind however is, Rousey was a decorated competitor previous to joining his stable of athletes, and her success certainly early on, came almost exclusively by way of her bullying olympic class judo style, which was acquired long before she met Tarverdyan

    McGregor however was raised from day 1 under Kavanagh. It's not like Kavanagh just slipped in a took the reigns at the height of the now infamous stars career (as Edmund did with Rousey).

    As a result of Kavanaghs rise to fame by way of being the original coach to international megastar McGregor, many athletes from all over the globe have swept to his gym to try and acquire the recipe to whatever secret hot sauce he used to produce McGregor.

    But what we've seen is a subsequent fairly steady losing streak from the vast majority of said athletes (thus, "Irish Edmund").

    .....

    Question being simply, is this just an unfortunate co-incidence?

    Or has fame and glory gone to Kavanaghs head and he's playing a bit fast-and-lose with the careers of these potential future champions?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,919 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Oh, short answer, yes with an “if”. Long answer, no with a “but”.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,274 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Nobody gives a shyt about McGregor or anyone around him.

    Kavanagh is a successful coach, but no more than Gary Keegan or Graham Shaw or Leo Cullen, it doesn't make him a sports star, so who gives a flying frig what he calls himself. Its about as important as the wrestler Stephen Farrelly calling himself 'Seamus'.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Huh?

    You realize he isn't slandering himself with this pseudonym, it was bestowed onto him by the global mma fanbase.

    The question we really want answered is whether he's a legit coaching talent (cause apart from McGregor, who has he produced from scratch?).

    He's got an awesome stable of athletes but point being, since coming under his roof the majority haven't found a huge amount of success.

    Not to mention as I understand it he's shamelessly incorporating the US super-gym style of management which = elitism, "gold standard" gym memberships and essential name, status and financial acquisition.

    Fight gyms were originally intended to give opportunity to those in society who'd been deprived of it, but still have that fire.

    Just saying he seems more about status and money than talent production, more thriller less filler.



  • Registered Users Posts: 468 ✭✭Shao Kahn


    He was never a top coach.

    McGregor was a physical freak of nature in his early mma days. All the boozing, coke and general d!ckish behavior have destroyed that natural talent.

    What Kavanagh did very well, was light that fire inside him to become obsessed with mma. But he also failed to reign him in when his ego started to become self destructive. Kavanagh is just a guy who had a love for that sport, and he did a very good job of imparting that passion into others around him. But that does not mean he was necessarily great at the technical aspects of coaching an athlete.

    And sadly, Conor Mcgregor is fast becoming one of those superstars who's meteoric rise will be mirrored by an equally eye watering plummet back down to earth. Not that too many people will have any sympathy for him, considering just how sh!tty he's been behaving for several years now. It's not an act for publicity of hyping fights, he really is a world class bell-end.

    "Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives, and it puts itself into our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday." (John Wayne)



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    McGregor is a joke at this stage and anyone willingly associated with him are sacrificing their reputation for short term popularity and fame.

    Coach Kavanagh should have disassociated himself when McGregor started to believe the hype he created.



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  • Posts: 2,725 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    UFC/cage fighting really seems to have dipped in popularity from the days when McTapout was at the peak of his kicking-people-in-the-head powers. It’s become a thing that thankfully rarely makes mainstream media, and operates at the fringes of society.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Sounds about right, but what other stables in Dublin or even Ireland as a whole are getting guys contracts with UFC, Bellator and regularly placing athletes on TUF?

    Even McGregors bread and butter, his boxing, he didn't acquire that under Kavanagh, he got it via the IABA model as Crumlin BC was on his doorstep.

    That being said, SBG do tend to get their guys ranked fairly consistently in IBJJF tournaments and their wrestling head coach looked like a slick dude on his TUF season.

    No idea what the rest of their staff looks like but they actually used to use McGregor himself to teach boxing so, that would probably tell you how good the other side to things are.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Up for further insights.

    I'd actually like more clarity on this.

    Money and the fame?

    Or talent production?



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