Anti-British Xenophobia and Hatred in Ireland

You were the one claiming its all snowballed with the Normans. :)

Is that sign still up near dublin airport (Brits out)?. Nice warm welcome to the brits that was.

Discussing the economic or social conditions as contributing factors while omitting the reason(s) why those conditions existed is a bigger problem than the reverse IMO. Of course it is either uncomfortable for you to discuss that, or you think the British state did nothing wrong by (brutal) standards of other imperialists of the time or nothing wrong full stop.

So better to confine discussion of the famine to the greed of Irish merchants, actions of landlord's agents and estate managers etc., or the Irish peasant farmers poverty, their having too many children + relying on the potato which was susceptible to disease, much safer ground...

I think that constantly obsessing and raking over over all the evils of the past + trying to somehow get "justice" in the present is extremely destructive to better relations between countries/people. In fact it makes it impossible.

However, if it is under discussion washing away the bad history (e.g. we will talk about the social/economic conditions in Ireland leading up to and during the Famine in a vacuum) isn't really going to help either. Trying it will really just put people's back up more (see my sarcastic tantrum as you termed it, and some other posters responses to you and to bob also).

Leaving the famine in the past...and considering subject of the opening post there is definitely some lingering anti-British (not just anti-British govt.) feeling in Ireland. I think it was declining sharply since the violence had pretty much ended in NI, but has been given another wind by Brexit and the deteriorating relations between the UK/Ireland post Brexit. Relations are unlikely to improve at all while the current crop of Conservatives remain in power in the UK. Unfortunately if SF also get into power here next time out and are then facing off against Boris Johnson (or successors of same mould) and rowing over NI, it could get much worse.

I dont think anyone thinks the irish were unique in what they sufferd at the hands of the british,most people would be aware of the atrocities they committed worldwide.when i say most people i obviously exclude the ordinary british person as they are not educated in this

It's not history that rises people's ire. It's willful ignorance today.

Anyone who could go leaving was the story of Ireland for centuries and had little to do with independence since it was true in the free state and true under British rule.

I doubt much needed to be said about the famine. Just point out it was under British rule so that doesn't really suit your point. If you want to Stoke anti British feelings you can point to the 1916 executions and atrocities carried out by the black and tans (which shocked the UK public nevermind the Irish). They could point to the outright racism in the North. So again there is little need for the famine to be a propaganda tool.

You seem to be trying to absolve blame of the UK which as Biden has said the buck stops here. It happened right on the doorstep of the richest empire in the world. So it was clear that the UK had little interest in Ireland. Certainly we have had corruption issues and issues with religion but it meant that Ireland had a serious voice in sorting out its own problems and well the corruption/religion problems were already there.

The victors write history because the losers are normally not around. The losers here are the British who are very much still around. It still seems like you are trying to absolve the blame massively and I think you know Irish history a lot less than you think.

Polulation 1921: ROI, 3.1m, Scotland 4.9m, Wales 2.65m,

2021: ROI, 5m (+ 62% on 1921) Scotland 5.4m +11%, Wales 3.25m +22%.

2021 GDP per capita: ROI €96k, Scotland 37k, Wales 30k.

So today Ireland's GDP is far higher than Wales or Scotland when we were poorer than them both when part of the UK. Our population has grown 62% since leaving the UK while Scotland and Wales has grown 11% and 22% respectively. It is obvious that leaving the UK was successful.

If you get impression I think Ireland is "unique" and I'm trying to take a "Most Opressed People Ever" (MOPE) point of view of Irish history (incl. the Famine) and that is what you are "taking issue" with in my post you are wrong. Quite sorry I started this to be honest.

Maybe some truth in that. The UK does not govern Ireland any more. It does not control the education system or the narrative around our history. The blushes of UK institutions/govt. when it comes to Irish history are not going to be spared here or left for people to learn about later themselves if inclined or covered in a 3rd level history course. Post independence there was probably a tendency to overdwell on the past evils (i.e. MOPE as above) + who was responsible to bolster justifications for fighting for independence and therefore the legitimacy of the new Irish state. I think that has died down a lot though (less to prove now, independence paid off in the long run).

Ruth and her like (Eoghan Harris + Barbara etc etc) would not deserve respect in any society. Hypocrits and agenda driven as they are.

I can respect a British person even though I might vehemently disagree with them but save me from high moral ground partitionists with deep rooted generational inferiority complexes.

Which we freely decided to join... oh wait.

They didn't treat it like that though.