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Eir’s extra 200K FTTH - When? Where?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭joe123


    At first I assumed this was only for those areas not in the IA so everyone on 30Mb-100Mb FTTC speeds, but as mentioned in the NBI thread, would Open Eir actively connect your neighbours house on 30Mb but ignore neighboring houses on the same cabinet of speeds below 30Mb.

    I'm in this very boat, while I'm connected to VDSL, due to distance I can only get 14Mb....as can much of my estate.

    Checking the openEir map I get the below messaging. Im hoping the below is true and not some weird stalling tactic from Eir. If we see Eir once again connect neighbours and then leave the rest to the NBI itl be sickening.

    I would love to know what timeframes they are looking at.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,036 ✭✭✭BArra


    basing off my own IFN Eir progress, it took circa one year from their contractors putting in fibre ducting to go live to be able to order

    15/7/2020 - KN/Circet team installing underground fibre ducting, with some poles having a black ducting cable spooled off quarter way up the pole

    29/7/2020 - Eir crew out replacing telephone poles

    26/8/2020 - Several KN/Circet crews with a mini-digger fixing collapsed ducts

    8/12/2020 - KN Circet crew fiddling at a few poles

    4/2/2021 - Eir crew started to blow fibre into existing ducting

    11/2/2021 - Distribution Points on poles being installed

    2/3/2021 - Eir crew blowing fibre still

    7/5/21 - Looks like all DPs installed since yesterday, eir techs told me they expect it to be ready by end of May, he said they work out from the exchange so once they finish the build out its ready for order.


    23/6/21 - RFO date released



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭KildareP


    Our village had Eir's rural rollout completed recently in the further out areas not previously capable of receiving xDSL based broadband but we were deemed too small for the more central locations to be covered as many of us could get up to 100Mb on VDSL and the population was <1,000 to be included under the urban rollout programme.

    I had noticed a lot of activity by KN recently in the area over thr last month, 4 or 5 vans at a time around the village opening up all of the chambers for days on end. Had put it down to a lot of new builds being completed which were still getting brand new copper based services rolled in.

    Strongly suspect now that they were actually surveying for full fibre. Our Eircode shows the same message as yours joe about being included in the upgrade program which it didn't before. Luckily most of the estates are built in the last 10-15 years and are fully ducted so hoping it'll be a quick and easy rollout!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭joe123


    So Adrian Wreckler confirmed that this rollout is only going to be for those on FTTC receiving 30Mb+

    As I first feared, anyone below that has to wait on the NBI. Unreal that we are once again going to see next door neighbours connected while others could be waiting 2/3 years more.

    https://twitter.com/adrianweckler/status/1427245162296664068



  • Registered Users Posts: 201 ✭✭Gunner3629


    If they went for FTTC customers with <30Mbs they'd be encroaching on NBI. That would never have been the plan.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭dam099


    If they had the capital budget I'm sure they would have no problem encroaching on NBI but given they seem to want to compete in urban areas it appears that's where they are prioritising their funds. If they encroached and asked to take out of NBI they would possibly have to sign commitment contracts again and be locked in to timelines they may not want to commit to for these areas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭joe123


    It was mentioned a good few times within the NBI thread that they have already encroached in a good few areas. The other estate in my town being one of them. Appx 80 houses all connected to FTTH by OpenEir last year despite being in the IA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 279 ✭✭NBAiii


    Adrian Weckler is a press release recycler. He has little to no knowledge of this issue. As you have already noted eir have built in the intervention area and they will continue to do so where it suits their interests, they will not have to sign any contracts or look for Government permission.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,155 ✭✭✭Xithus


    @Gunner3629 Posted this map in the NBI thread. It might be a good idea to have it at the top in your post @clohamon

    open eir broadband checker (arcgis.com)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,155 ✭✭✭Xithus


    Is there any roadmap for the so caled blue area rollout? I'm wondering if it'll be months / years.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 446 ✭✭HoggyRS


    There is no more brand new copper in the eir network, all new estates get fibre. So highly suspect something fibre based is happening in your locality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭clohamon


    The Openeir IFN was due to start in June 2019 for 1.4M premises with a five year roll-out. As of April 2021 net 409K had been passed. On that calculation, it is behind schedule, but over the last year they've been doing about 22k/month.

    The network had already passed 749,000 homes at the end of April, including 340,000 that had originally been earmarked for the NBP. The aim is to extend this to 1.7 million premises over the next three years. (Irish Times)

    It's not clear when the 200K starts and if it will run concurrently with the IFN, but with a total of 1.19M remaining and at a rate of 22K/month, the whole job (IFN + 200K) could take 54 months from April last; i.e. late 2025.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,042 ✭✭✭kaizersoze


    This! Weckler is clueless with far too much weight put behind his articals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭KildareP


    Could be onto something.

    Ran a couple of Eircodes through the availability checker just now and anything completed up to about November of last year is showing as passing for copper (up to 100Mb). These would have been premises from an existing FTTC cabinet which was in all likelihood not full.

    Anything completed this side of the New Year however is passing for FTTH (1Gbps).

    I would hope they will start to backfill ASAP.

    EDIT: Seems it's being very sporadic, two semi-D's completed last year, one shows as 1Gb and the other 100Mb. Have to assume it's all fibre so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭joe123


    Has there been anymore on this since the original announcement? Any extra timeline? Or is this technically just added to their IFN rollout?

    Im really curious to see if their website is correct and that all areas connected on FTTC will be included despite being below the 30Mb and in the Intervention Area with NBI.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭clohamon


    Hard to know what's going on with Eircom's IFN. According to their published Q4 results the national FTTH roll-out is going backwards. It could be a typo but maybe someone should ask for confirmation of the true figure.

    Q4 results to 2021-06-30

    675,000 premises now passed with FTTH across Ireland, up 37% or 181,000.

    https://www.eir.ie/pressroom/eir-announces-results-for-the-fourth-quarter-and-twelve-months-to-30-June-2021/

    Q3 results to 2021-03-30

    820,000 premises now passed with FTTH across Ireland, up 64% or 319,000

    https://www.eir.ie/pressroom/eir-announces-third-quarter-FY21-results-to-31-March-2021/


    On the < 30Mb/s urban group, you'll remember that Ms Lennon's letter to the Department (re Eircom's alternative NBP) left this group out of their plan. Presumably because Eircom intended to get them above 30Mb/s somehow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,155 ✭✭✭Xithus


    I think maybe just once a month (or maybe 6 months) I'll chance my arm and ask if anyone has any updates on this topic. I wonder if Eir / OpenEir will ever give any type of time frame for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭clohamon


    The 'Copper switch-off' consultations might be relevant. It's in Eircom's interest to bring the 200K within the timeframe of the IFN (late 2024 !?) if they wish to persuade ComReg to let them stand down the copper network.

    https://www.comreg.ie/media/2021/08/Call-for-Inputs-Migration-from-Legacy-Infrastructure-FINAL.pdf




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭heavydawson


    Am I reading this right? They're planning to shut off the copper network prior to the completion of the NBP roll-out (at 95% rollout from what I can tell) ? I know Eir are not involved in NBP

    Surely the obvious thing to do is get the fibre in place for _all_ households, then give people the option to move over to fibre or get cut off? What about the 5% left with no copper and/or fibre?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭clohamon


    Its (Eircom) exchange specific*. And the date of ComReg's decision does not imply the date of coming into force. The Eircom white paper in the annex is worth a read. It's a kind of Hail Mary opening bid.

    *Exchange area must have 95% FTTP and >30Mb/s for remainder and substitutable voice product.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭heavydawson


    Yeah my reading is that it's basically when 95% FTTP + 12 months, at which point they start turning off copper (at a per exchange basis as you say).

    The eircom whitepaper is interesting in that it mentions the NBP will reach all premises in 5-7 years but take 15 years to "fully migrate services to its network" Not sure what that last part is about? But I'm assuming that 95% threshold in IA exchanges will be hit as each DA is completed but potentially a long time before the "migration" mentioned has occurred.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭clohamon


    Eircom looking to sell half its fibre network (by value) reports Irish Times.

    Hard to know if the proceeds will actually be used for investment or dividends.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭dam099


    Maybe the State should invest and make it a condition they allow NBI to utilise it where they already service part way out in rural areas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭theguzman


    Is Virgins Urban network open to competition in the same way as OpenEIR's and the newly emerging NBI Network? If not it should be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,784 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    There is a process underway within NBI where they are looking at alternatives methods or networks to connect approx. 5,000 premises including NBP premises within urban areas, end of rural ribbons beyond where eir ended their rural rollout, difficult to reach premises, etc. According to the the Dept of Comms discussion with the Rural Affairs committee this week 5 bidders have expressed an interest, I assume eir are amongst them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,784 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    No, Virgin Media's cable network in not open access.

    Comreg said previously

    ComReg’s position is that Virgin Media’s CATV network is not a sufficiently strong indirect constraint to warrant the inclusion of CATV-based retail services in the WLA Market.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭clohamon


    Slightly related USO-AFL decision news.

    https://www.comreg.ie/publication/universal-service-requirements-provision-of-access-at-a-fixed-location-afl-uso-response-to-consultation-and-decision

    • ComReg maintains USO Functional Internet Access at 28.8Kb/s
    • Eircom to continue as USP until 30th June 2023.
    • The €1000 excess is gone. 'Reasonable' alternative test applies.
    • Eircom can now provide voice USO as part of a broadband bundle. eg VOIP

    There's a lot of buck-passing and blame-gaming over the Department's delay* in transposing the European Electronic Communications Code (EECC). ComReg claim that they may continue to regulate under the previous regulation dating back to 2011 vis-a-vis what amounts to Adequate Broadband Internet Access Service (ABB-IAS). The explanation for continuing with 28.8Kb/s is surreal (see page 87)

    It's not all bad news, there are hints that ComReg will impose the Annex 5** minimum services (including video calls at standard quality) when the EECC is transposed and when the NBP and commercial FTTP deployments are more advanced.

    In the same document Eircom are quoted ..

    "eir’s capital investment is efficiently focussed on developing a full fibre access network which will replace the copper network during this decade.”

    * overdue since 21st December 2020

    ** https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:32018L1972&from=EN (p.196)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 595 ✭✭✭EarWig


    Neil has been just as bad as any private equity outfit for extracting cash from Eir. But, taken with the SIRO announcement, I think there's a chance that Eir may announce an increase in their capital expenditure budget. Take-up rates seem to have improved and prices too have jumped. So maybe the business case has been transformed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭clohamon


    Eircom’s results to 2021-09-30 showing latest combined FTTP deployments at 715K; about 13K per month since last quarter.

    Subtracting the IFN figure (349K) and the 340K rural from the overall that leaves about 20K unaccounted for.

    NB. since last quarter they now measure ‘address points’ (like FTTP) rather than 'delivery points’ (like FTTH).




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,155 ✭✭✭Xithus


    It seems like the mention of my area being part of Eir's planned expansion has been removed from the map. It's back to just telling me I can get up to 100mb. 😕



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭Ah-Watch


    Just checked mine and it has been removed too. NBI passes my gate, about 5 metres away from the house and covers our whole road, many of which can get between 70 and 100 meg also. I was looking forward to the upgrade through OpenEir but I'm sure it'll happen eventually



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 595 ✭✭✭EarWig


    The map is great. I can see it half way down the Templeogue road already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭KildareP


    They seem to have removed the upgrade program message across the board.

    I've checked an Eircode in an estate in Templeogue that I know they're currently building FTTH out and it doesn't show the upgrade program message either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭clohamon


    Eircom's Q2 results are out today and it seems to show that progress in the 200K (non-IFN and non 300K) area is slowing.

    Comparing previous quarters' results




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,155 ✭✭✭Xithus


    My house gets below the 30mb but I can't get on the NBP because Eir have this plan in place. But they are under no pressure to actually do it and could change their minds at any stage. Infuriating.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭Gav_96


    Is there any updated map on this? saw crews working round my area and its not NBI



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭clohamon


    Eircom have done 'some' building in the NBP Intervention Area. You could check their map at fibrerollout.ie

    The Department update their map quarterly as they get new information on the actual state of NBP Exclusion Areas.

    Starting in 2023, ComReg will be collecting premises performance data from providers under A.22 of the EECC.

    Draft questionnaire here

    https://www.comreg.ie/media/2022/05/GEO_FixedBroadband_NetworkOperator_draft.xlsx

    • RecordID
    • Eircode
    • LatitudeX LongitudeY
    • Broadband 
    • ServiceStatus
    • LocalAccessTechnology
    • BestAvailableBroadbandProduct
    • MaxAchievableDownloadSpeed (Mbps)
    • Max Achievable Upload Speed (Mbps)  
    • Expected Peak Time Download Speed (Mbps)
    • Expected Peak Time Upload Speed (Mbps)
    • SoldBroadbandProductType
    • ActualDownloadSpeed (Mbps)
    • SoldSpeed (Mbps)
    • SoldVoiceProductType
    • SoldTVProductType
    • SoldToOperator
    • PlannedDate (DDMMYYYY)
    • ---------------------
    • VoiceSoldToOperator
    • ARDID
    • CabinetID
    • ExchangeNodeID
    • AggregationNodeExchangeID
    • HasOutgoingCallsThisQuarter?
    • TotalOutgoingCalls (minutes)
    • InterconnectionPointID


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭Calebmcd


    I got an answer back.

    They have a list of houses. For the next 9 months.


    And my house isn't one of them!


    2026 at the latest.

    Plus said 2Gb connection not 1Gb



  • Registered Users Posts: 574 ✭✭✭thos


    I met an Open Eir engineer outside my house about 3 months back, he was signing off on the fibre install that was pulled into the ‘manhole’ there, as part of FTTH rollout.

    I’ve been checking the map and ringing Eir, but so far no sign of service.

    is there any other way I can track progress, or get an idea of when it might be available?



  • Registered Users Posts: 414 ✭✭jaykay2


    That was completed in my estate in June of last year. Finally became available to place an order on Tuesday of this week. Not sure if a year is a common wait time, but that is what I had. SIRO are currently working in my area and going live soon, which might have pushed them to finally make it available.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭clohamon


    Q3 2022 financial results announced from Eircom. (Q1-2022 of the calendar)

    While the IFN program has added 54K premises this quarter, the 200K (non-IFN) program has only put on an extra 2K premises or a total of 7k premises in the last year.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,496 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    I'm in the same position. eir have been busy in the last year or so installing fibre along the main arterial roads coming out of Bray, and recently were installing it in our estate, but I couldn't get any useful info out of the installers, they were just contractors from KN Circet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 279 ✭✭NBAiii


    Openeir have published a map of their proposed FTTH upgrade programme. I haven't checked by Eircode but you can zoom in and click on the premises you are interested in. No dates given bar their aim to have it all finished by the end of 2026.

    We cannot communicate timelines for individual eircodes or specific areas within an exchange area due to regulatory protocols. However in terms of notification, when an eircode goes live on the Fibre to the Home network all Service Providers using the open eir network are informed at the same time and the eircodes flow into their respective sales and marketing systems. 


    These Service Providers then market FTTH broadband to premises that are live on the FTTH network and those premises can then place an order for FTTH with their preferred service provider.


    To date we have enabled over 800K of our 1.9million homes and businesses, we plan to complete our roll out by the end of 2026





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭joe123


    Is there a rollout list/timeline for towns/Cabinets being upgraded currently or anything?

    The Upgrade checker map just states we hope to have it completed by end of 2026.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,019 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    as far as I know every customer who is on vdsl will eventually get upgraded to FTTH between now and end of 2026 which will probably stretch to 2028. OpenEir are working towards a copper switchoff. The Current urban IFN Network (OpenEir) will allow speeds up to 2Gbps currently and this may be extended to rural FTTH areas also at some stage over the next year or two. By 2026/2028 we may well be looking at all FTTH connections capable of speeds up to 10 Gbps.

    The OpenEir maps are a bit vague and don't really give proper estimates as to when a customer get's FTTH other than it should be completed by end of 2026.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭Gav_96


    There is crews from Whiteknight doing work outside my house putting in ducting in the old eircom ducts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭Gav_96


    I asked a different crew here at 9:30 at night how long does it usually take, he said "im almost done now, it will be ready next week" that doesn't seem right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 595 ✭✭✭EarWig




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭Gav_96


    contacted eir few minutes ago, he put me in for a callback on the 13th of july and said it will be ready then. he said it was part of this rollout alright housing estate with 55 houses. hopefully no issues arise before then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭Gav_96


    they called me back yesterday and booked me in for install on the 14th of july 😀



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