What are your thoughts on the fertiliser price s for 2022

Looking at the fertilizer price tracker on the english farming forum urea is trading at 740 euro a ton for November delivery and payment now, its a runaway train at this stage on prices

Spot gas prices into Europe of €35bbnm mean nitrogen needs to be hitting near the above to cover costs plus margin, ain't going to happen unless the eu does a UK and cover the gas cost

That goes without saying, what's the usual mark up on feed grade urea you where quoted for above and normal urea ...

Gas prices are set on 6 month futures, whatever happens with supply the high price is locked In.

Europe put all it's eggs in the Gazprom basket and Moscow is now squeezing, expect major concessions in the next few months.

Problem is that a lot of next year will be gone before gas prices will be at a level it makes sense for a fertilizer factory to manufacture at.

There is no interest in the EU acting, they are not that fond of agriculture nor are they keen to act decisively or in a timely fashion.

Without strong action now, and maybe even then, nitrogen fertilizer looks like be unable to purchase in much of Europe next spring and to a degree worldwide.

Thank God there is plenty of silage in the country.

Was it sri Lanka where they decided to try and switch to organic overnight, and more or less fcuked the show there? The powers that be surely would see it coming down the tracks

They didn't see the renewable energy push and mothballing nuclear/coal/and in our own case peat plants Europe wide as a issue that could lead to the present day energy crisis,the most f**ked up thing is data centres currently been powered Europe wide to run Facebook Instagram tick/tock etc, are seen as fundamentally more important then creating fertilizer to feed people

There shouldn't be a famine, grain used in animal feed will be redirected to food production. It will cruify feedlot production of milk and beef, it will also cause issues to chicken, pigmeat and farmed salmon production.

Expect a corresponding rise in price of meat and dairy products. We have seen the effects of 2% swings above and below demand on dairy and meat product. We have never seen the effect of a 3-5% excess or shortage in these products. It could go above this

Unless milk price starts to track fert/energy/meal price inflation all with the caveat the above will even be available, reducing numbers will be a given no matter what your financial commitments are milk at 35 cent a litre simply isn't going to cut it, if inflation keeps rocketing up...

What are the prices of the different fertilisers now? I know some have refused to quote but have others? Lots on this thread regarding the upward prices but very little in the way of the actual prices when ye were quoted. Should we have a table that we can maintain as people receive quotes or something just to track?

Merchant's/co-ops can't quote for what they don't have and in all likelihood won't be able to acquire next year they aren't locking into product that is available due to price urea circa 740 euro a ton at the minute and sulpha can nudging 500 euro.

Sample prices paid here two weeks ago where 10 ton of cut sward at €450 a ton, and 8 ton of 8:5:18 plus sulpher boron and trace elements at €485, that was all old stock on hand and no new fertilizer was incoming with the tag line it's to dear at the minute and they where holding off till the markets cooled off

Anyone know what is happening in Southern hemisphere Australia, NZ, Argentina Brazil as they should be where we will be in 6 months or were these markets stocked up before gas price rise hit ?

Seem that South America gets the Very most of its fertilizer from China.

So no phosphorus for them for most of next year.

The problem in Europe is that gas storage was left fall to Very low levels. That's the main reason, the change towards different energy sources plays a part but letting a continent wide shortage build was always going to be a problem.

Letting the people who sell the gas, store the gas and build the reserves was a bad idea.

But but but…protected Urea is going to save the planet!

In times of inflation farming usually thrives. Stagflation is the enemy. I’m enjoying this little period of inflation while it lasts.

Irish and UK farmers seem to be feeling the brunt of inflated fert prices. Here, there doesn’t seem to be the same alarm at all. If it comes to it, I can easily cut N by 50% and be fine. Farm produce will rise in price. It would be even better if production falls..here’s hoping!

[Planting clover this afternoon..].

But but but ….u have something vast majority of us here don’t ….scale and pretty big scale ….combined with multiple enterprises and the benefits that brings ….then there’s your climate ..