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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    19th November is the new date for the ring road decision




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭what_traffic




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    These plans are up now

    Eglinton Canal and Doughiska South

    On the Galway City Website https://www.galwaycity.ie/active-travel

    Eglinton Canal - they are not doing anything about crossing over to NUIG at Wards shop.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Wonder have ABP been strategic about this and were waiting for the National Dev Plan to be announced first?



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That sounds likely.

    Apparently all the major road projects (incl the ring road) are expected to still be included, but might be deprioritised based on the climate impact assessment. ABP will still need to make a decision.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    National Development Plan - Whats in it for Galway

    The following is based on a projected population for Galway of 120,000+ by the year 2040.

    Funding for transport related projects is 2:1 in favor of public transport over new road builds. As time goes on I can only see that ratio increasing to be honest.

    There's a lot in the new NDP that has already been announced through other programs (GTS, BusConnects, URDF etc) but there is quite a bit of new stuff too

    Roads

    • N6 Galway City Ring Road (pending decision)
    • N59 Moycullen bypass is expected to commence construction within a few months and be complete by 2024
    • N59 Clifden to Maam Cross (ongoing)

    Buses

    • Bus connects continuing
    • Further growth of all-electric fleet but not sure if that will mean much for Galway as its gotten new hybrids in the last few months
    • Bus stops
    • Poles
    • Line info
    • Wheelchair accessible bus stops, including on interurban routes, will continue to improve the accessibility of the bus network for all users, and especially for persons with disabilities, reduced mobility and older people. 

    Most will have seen this from the GTS already but here's the planned routes for city buses for the coming years


    Walking & Cycling

    • 360 million a year has been committed to out as far as 2030
    • Galway to Dublin Greenway will be completed by 2026
    • National Cycling Network and Strategy to be developed. This will cover urban and rural areas so likely to comprise of protected bike lanes in cities and greenways in rural areas
    • Safe schools routes will be expanded, but we knew this already, just not clear on what schools, where and how much of the road network will be closed in the mornings/evenings to protect the young school goers

    Port

    Nadda happening here in terms of the NDP

    Rail

    • The feasibility of light rail in Galway will be considered again as part of the review of the Galway Transport Strategy (which will commence in 2022).
    • Commuter rail between Galway - Oranmore - Athenry
    • Double tracking to Athenry
    • Ceannt Station to undergo major works (not sure what these are but likely to incorporate a lot of residential
    • Only thing it states about the WRC is the Strategic Rail Review will look at it.

    Everything Else

    • NUI Galway Library Regeneration 
    • NUI Galway Learning Commons
    • Retrofit and decarbonisation trials at NUI Galway Áras de Brún. This is part of the plan for public sector buildings to improve energy efficiency and to achieve a BER of B by the end of 2030.
    • New Emergency Department and Ward Block at University Hospital Galway
    • GTS (Galway Transport Strategy) up for review next year. Will likely take 1-2 years
    • Galway City Waste Water Treatment Plant and Network upgrade
    • Radiation oncology unit being progressed at Galway (Estimated Cost Category B, Construction completion 2024))
    • A cancer care network for the Saolta region (West, North West) with a Cancer Centre at Galway University Hospital
    • Upgrade to USAC student accommodation facilities, Galway. Is this Renmore barracks? It falls under investment for the Defence Forces so I'm assuming so, but not sure
    • New courts for Galway City

    Some funding already allocated, though its light on details as to what these funds are for




  • Registered Users Posts: 512 ✭✭✭Frozen Veg


    How's the new light system on the Headford Road going?



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,798 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Kirwan is very popular, people talking about it non-stop



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    So those big port plans for Galway Port then are dead in the water then. No surprise ,only surprise is that it has taken this long for it to be finally be spelt out.

    If and when the N6 Galway City Ring Road gets canned; which is looking more likely considering how much it would cost to build it - then the backup plan that Government have in the back pocket is going to be this Light Rail Feasibility Study.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Well the Port I'm not sure about. Its all a bit airy fairy how they are going about it, and the mish mash of ownership/responsibility doesn't help. Maybe something will happen but it will be more along the line of setting Galway up for marinas/cruise ships with a very small amount of cargo. Considering most of the income for the port comes from parking fee's, that says a lot about the poor volume moving through the port.

    Someone else mentioned something similar to me about the GCRR & GLUAS a while back and it does make a certain amount of sense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,798 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Galway (cargo) Port makes no sense. Due to tides and location in the middle of the west coast



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,915 ✭✭✭Storm 10


    The new port won't be tidal ships will be able to come and go at all hours as it will be further out from the current docks and there won't be any dock gates.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    While I'm looking forward to seeing some sort of growth at the port, being realistic, Foynes is the only major port on the west coast that is going to get any kind of funding for anything. There is just simply no market for port traffic into Galway.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,915 ✭✭✭Storm 10


    As the saying goes build it and they will come, look at all the ports on the East coast Dublin,Waterford,Rossalare, Arklow, Drogheda, Warrenpoint, Dundalk, Belfast, Wicklow, Greenore, big and small they are all trading



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Look at where the demand for that trade is coming from though. The UK & Europe. There is a reason there are so many active goods ports on the East coast versus the west coast.

    There is not a shipping company in the world that would voluntarily ship to Galway over a nearer port when coming from the UK or Europe. Excuse my very crude map, but I hope it illustrates my point

    Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see development of the port, especially in terms of marinas and cruise ships. Goods will definitely play a role too, but not to the level the port want or have publicized in the past. I think they have accepted this now given their original plans have been scaled back hugely since they were first announced.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,915 ✭✭✭Storm 10


    Check out the website below and see all the trade that goes through the port go the the new gallery for current shipping

    www.galwayships.com



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Love how this thread has started talking about Shipping Traffic.

    I think that Galway Port & Car Parking Company is going to become the Galway Port Property Company eventually.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You started it 😋

    If there were any mods left here I'd flag to them to maybe move these to a new thread

    Yup, fully aware of whats going through the port, it doesn't change the fact that it has little to no market though. Its one of the reasons it is now listed as a tier 3 port (or port of regional significance) in the National Port Policy.

    The policy states, in terms of Ports, the govt will:

    • Move from a ‘one size fits all’ policy to one that recognises that different ports have different roles to play, now and in the future. In recognising the different roles of each port, this policy determines which are of National Significance and have a national function, and which are of Regional Significance with a specialist significance at national level:
    • Ports of National Significance (Tier 1) are designated as: Dublin Port Company, the Port of Cork Company and Shannon Foynes Port;
    • Ports of National Significance (Tier 2) are designated as Rosslare Europort and the Port of Waterford Company;
    • Ports of Regional Significance: The remaining 14 ports account for 8% of national trade, but many have national significance in terms of specialist services or products. These include the five State companies at Drogheda, Dún Laoghaire, Galway, New Ross and Wicklow. These Ports of Regional Significance will be placed within a local authority-led governance structure with local authorities taking shareholdings in the ports.
    • Future investment in deepwater capacity, when needed, will not occur until it has been subjected to stringent analysis commissioned by the Department, and will be led by the national ports;

    Its summary of the port is this

    Galway Harbour Company is a bulk port which caters primarily for liquid-bulk products, and the harbour is an important strategic regional hub for petroleum importation, storage and distribution. However, declining throughput levels have led to increasing reliance on non-core port activities as revenue streams. The company now derives over 50% of its revenue from non-core port activities.


    Similar to Dún Laoghaire harbour, the location of the harbour close to Galway’s city centre limits its potential for further expansion in terms of increasing trade. However, the inner harbour is an immensely attractive location for the development of marine tourism and leisure facilities, in particular a marina, as well as for urban redevelopment.


    While there is no Exchequer support available for these developments, National Ports Policy endorses the development proposals in respect of the inner harbour, as referred to in the Regional Planning Guidelines for the West Region 2010–2022 and the Galway City Development Plan 2011–2017, for marine tourism and leisure facilities as well as for urban redevelopment and regeneration. Furthermore, the Government notes the return of cruise tourist traffic to Galway harbour in 2012, and supports the company’s efforts to develop this business.


    The Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport and other relevant agencies are currently giving detailed consideration to the plans to relocate commercial port activities to a new site on reclaimed land.


    Given the scale of the existing commercial freight traffic through the port (1% of national traffic), the fact that more than half of the company’s income comes from non-core port activity, and the extent to which its future plans are based on urban regeneration, marine leisure and tourism, it is proposed to transfer the shareholder function and corporate governance oversight of the Harbour Company from the Department to a more appropriate local or regional structure. 

    With the above in mind, Galway port will have some cargo going through it, primarily related to local industries & fuel as has always been the case, but outside of that, anything coming to the west coast to unload is going to go to Foynes as its a deep water port with full cargo handling capabilities. Realistically, Galway port will not do much beyond whats its handling now, in terms of cargo, and its growth opportunities are in marinas, leisure & cruise.

    Anyway, I suggest we take this to another thread if you want to continue to discuss



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    I think its fine for this thread - it is a type of traffic after all! 🤣



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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,798 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Listened to GBFM this morning.

    Road users agreed the Kirwan was diabolical for all. Motorists blamed others driving using phones, eating porridge when driving, travelling wrong side of the road approaching from Sandy Rd. Artics driving on Dyke Rd, then seeing the underpass and reversing..



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    330 cars rat running in morning period via Menlo was another stat. That for sure ain't the local National School "car run".



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,107 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    Ya turning right at the crossroads at Castlegar definitely makes more sense instead of trying to get through from the Headford Rd to anywhere else.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Sense? Does it make more sense for the residents of Menlo and kids walking and cycling to the local National School in Menlo in the morning?



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,107 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    No it makes more sense for anyone driving into Galway rather than waiting at the awfully sequenced lights at the new turnoff for the Menlo Park. There's no doubt that the sequencing is still cock-eyed and is causing far longer delays now. I'm not agreeing with it or condoning it, just explaining it. No need to go all Helen Lovejoy on it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Ok I get what your saying but I do not think this is a reasonable or comprehensible rationale thing to do, i.e divert from a National Road N84 onto a minor local road like this. Who is Helen?



  • Registered Users Posts: 364 ✭✭Little My


    I divert and drive in over Menlo - I hate doing it but it saves time, which is what matters to me at 8.25am when I have to get to work for 9 with no flexibility offered.

    I've toyed with the idea of parking the car at Tesco express and getting the bus in, but there are no bus lanes, so that means it will take me longer. I've also considered parking and cycling in, but I'd need to buy a folding bike as my current mountainbike is too large & heavy for me to fit in the car, or to lift up and down to the bike carrier. Added to the fact that I have a chronic fatigue issue so I'm not sure I'd actually be able to do the cycle twice a day. Oh and then I don't know if I'd actually get away with parking the car and leaving it there all day. I've also looked into the bus, but (if I remember correctly) I'd have to drive to Clonboo & get the bus at 7.45, again not feasible.

    I'd definitely use a park and ride - if a decent service interval was offered, but there isn't one, and nothing about Galway transport planning gives me any hope there would be one any time soon. Oh and that lovely new Kirwin junction would need to be retrofitted with bus lanes!



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Good post - shows options faced my people is non-existent. I think you get the knock on effects of this behavior has on the local area. It creates a negative feedback loop.

    Park and Ride is needed for Headford Road area, a real regular bus route from Headford to give people options. Same should be done for the other approach roads for the City; P & R been discussed for decades, but the Council Engineers have put all the eggs in the one basket. Your observation re Lovely Kirwin & Bus Lanes - ya that does show the Galway Transport Mentality of the Council. Piecemeal and disjointed.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Park & Ride is a good tool but as Little My pointed out it really does need to go hand-in-hand with dedicated bus lanes. It has to be significantly faster than driving to encourage the switch.



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