The Curse of Defective Concrete (Mica, Pyrrhotite, etc.) in Donegal homes - Read Mod warning Post 1

Again, that doesn't make sense on two fronts. If this case was as slam-dunk as it's being made out to be, then the cost of litigation is meaningless, since costs would be awarded against the loser. If say 10 families chipped in 5k and fronted the fees you'd have a test case on your hands.

I suspect that there had been no litigation because there is a real chance the homeowners wouldn't win, not because of cost. Which is actually quite astonishing.

If that's the advice their solicitor gave them, well then all I can say is they need a new solicitor. Not holding insurance has no bearing on liability. If you could only be sued if you had insurance then no one would have it.

There are some very obvious holes in the protesters story, and quite frankly they need to be honest with the rest of us on why they haven't gone legal, when the ask is this big. Why have they not sued this company out of existence before seeking state support? According to the above, they have a pile of cash, big cars and big houses??

Tbf whilst hes been combative he's not entirely wrong.

If you even got 1 percent of the number of people that are apparently impacted by this to come together it would be a grand each to club 50,000 on legal action. Which a good lawyer would get something out of. That's a tiny portion of people. If you raised it to ten percent it would be a war chest at very low cost to the complainants.

Hold on now, just because I'm asking questions and don't agree 100% with the mica protesters doesn't mean I don't have empathy. I fully understand that it's a pretty rough situation that the homeowners find themselves in. I have posted previously that the homeowners should get support, it is the right and decent thing to do. What I don't agree with is the level of support that they are seeking. I have issues on a number of fronts:

1. It appears that the affected families have given up on chasing the supplier, that continues to trade. Maybe they have a good reason, but it just looks like they see the state as a softer touch.

2. Demanding uncapped 100% with no family input. This will absolutely lead to run-away costs. The only way costs can be controlled is that if the individual parties have a genuine stake in keeping cost under control.

3. Demanding demolition and rebuild because their engineer won't sign off. Engineers are highly reluctant to put their PI on the line for any existing structure anyway and sign off is only needed for sale. The goal of any state assistance should be safe homes, the fact that they can't be sold is irrelevant.

4. Demanding full demo and full rebuild of empty nests. There seems to be no appreciation that the States role here is to make homes safe and habitable, to meet the needs of the current inhabitants. A retired couple in a 4 bed house with three grown up children shouldn't feel entitled to a like for like replacement. It's needs, not wants. The State should make sure these people have somewhere to live but it shouldn't be in the business making people financially whole.

5. Demanding rebuilds of houses significantly larger than the national average. The average irish family can cope with 160sqm, I don't know why families affected couldn't live with the same.

€3.2bn is the current projected price of the enhanced scheme, which equates to at least €2k+interest for every family in the country. That's a huge amount of social solidarity that's being asked for, and the complaint is that it's not enough?!

You must be new to this thread. We've been on the Mr Musician roundabout for months. At least you have some banter.

What facts are those that I have failed to grasp?

You know I am entitled to not agree with the demands of the protesters and any/ all the posters on this thread. It isn't some form of heresy. An alternative point of view is legitimate, even if it's hard to stomach.

Morning, while I may not agree with all some posters state I do believe, as long as it is civil, it is good that they have the opportunity to raise concerns as the amount of families effected and the expectation being put on the Irish tax payer is significant. I do honestly believe that there is no one in the country that does not believe all the families should receive support - absolutely no one however the challenge is how can this be achieved that results in the families getting safe houses. Another thing I would like to say is that for people who are not aware of any effected families who I've spoken to through work it seems to be the "Like for Like" part which they are un-comfortable with, as with Ireland being Ireland the fear is that it will lose control very quickly and they are not hearing from the campaign group how this will be controlled.

Anyone else on here heading to Dublin tomorrow? We've taken the kids out of school to join us this time. Strength in numbers.

Care to explain what you mean by "on the cheap" and what regulations are you referring to?

That would make Inishowen look like one massive housing estate with identical houses everywhere. It wouldn't be for me.