The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

Murph85 · 08-10-2021 8:18am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117991451#Comment_117991451

Good, it's about time. The holy cow of pensioners , are far more comfortable in general, than any other section of society...

padd b1975 · 08-10-2021 8:22am

Poor Matt got mixed up with what commemorations he's supposed to be opposing on Late Debate last night.

Katie Hannon laughed in his face as he made a complete clown out of himself yet again.

Cyclingtourist · 08-10-2021 8:23am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117991421#Comment_117991421

They don't need to take support from FF/FG to win more seats than either of them.

You are presuming those who vote for them are going to be bothered about the details of economic policy.

dudley72 · 08-10-2021 8:27am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117991478#Comment_117991478

I don't think you know how an election works. I suggest you go and review and come back to me.

So you think people will vote for SF in the knowledge that is means they will end up with less & less money but the person sitting on the dole will get more & more money. Hate to tell you but majority of working people hate paying tax, they especially hate paying tax for some lad to sit at home watching TV all day.

This latest "budget" from SF is another example of them attacking the worker in Ireland. A 40k drop in their tax proposal in the space of 18 months is shocking.

Mad_maxx · 08-10-2021 8:32am

I see the shinners are now aiming for the grey vote by signalling their intent to set retirement age at sixty five.

FF were in the happeny place compared to SF in the populist stakes

Fionn1952 · 08-10-2021 8:36am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117991492#Comment_117991492

I don't think the majority of working people hate paying tax. Most of us are reasonably civically minded and understand that we need to make contributions to the society we live in.

People are happy paying tax when they see value from those contributions, people hate seeing the tax they pay handed off to the extremely wealthy via dodgy tenders.....they'll also hate seeing even more of the tax they pay used to keep the chronically work-shy propped up and on side should SF ever get into government. Do they hate one more than the other? Polling figures at present indicate they're leaning more towards propping up the spongers than another payoff to the extremely wealthy.

Me? I'd say two cheeks of the same a*se, either way I'm not going to feel like the already sky high tax I pay is going towards the things I value in society.

dudley72 · 08-10-2021 8:45am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117991521#Comment_117991521

But that is exactly what SF are proposing. People who have huge mansions in Ireland will get a tax break while everyone else will get hit with additional tax to pay for the shortfall. If anything the property tax going to the county council has meant investment in local areas in playground etc. SF want to get rid of all of that so they can tax workers for what?

It just proves they have no idea how a political party should work, they know LPT is a buzz word and they go after that saying it will be over with. Yet that money has to come from somewhere so what will happen was the same as before, the county councils will have no money and everyone who pays tax's will suffer. No playground etc.

I am struggling to see how people on this forum who are supposed to be "political experts" don't seem to understand the basics.

Murph85 · 08-10-2021 8:50am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117991492#Comment_117991492

It is quite worrying alright! the hard working mid to high earners are the cash cows for SF and FG...

08-10-2021 8:53am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117990967#Comment_117990967

I wonder how many of those availing of the food banks, partied on the Courthouse steps last weekend? If students cannot afford accommodation and food in one area, they need check out other options. Like living at home and commuting. Or attending a college closer to home which offers the same course.

08-10-2021 8:59am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117991451#Comment_117991451

It will only affect those who have income other than the state pension.

Fionn1952 · 08-10-2021 9:03am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117991550#Comment_117991550

How you've read my post and seem to have come away thinking I'm defending SF, I have no idea.

I said

Either way I'm not going to feel like the already sky high tax I pay is going towards the things I value in society.

I'm fully aware SF aren't the answer, unfortunately a significant number of people in our society are so fed up with the current cadre that they're willing to jump on anything different. As I've said before, people will take something that probably won't be any better for them over something they can see definitely isn't working for them.

Rather than just lazily assuming everyone voting for SF is a sponger as has been implied multiple times on this thread, diving deeper into their polling trends would imply to me that a great deal of their support comes from those who are working and feeling desperate, willing to try the probably over the definitely. Fortunately one would expect that voter base to collapse when the big boy business of actual budgets comes up, the pre-election promises of nectar and ambrosia for all are shown for what they are and SF lose all credibility for their next round of shouting about what they'd do from the opposition benches.

Maybe from the FF/FG/SF ashes we'll see the rise of some sort of political phoenix....one that actually represents the person who gets up in the morning. I'm not holding my breath though. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose....

dudley72 · 08-10-2021 9:17am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117991594#Comment_117991594

Sorry it’s a SF thread

I don’t make the assumption everyone is a sponger hence why I said after they latest “budget” they should have a knock on. At 140k you are talking about high earners. At 100k you are hitting a lot more people across ireland who are suddenly the target. The size of the drop is concerning as well, they are 40k out, what’s to say they are not 20k out again and this drops to 80k then 60k?

I see a gap in Irish politics but it’s certainly not one anyone should think SF should be filling

seamus · 08-10-2021 9:35am

Rather than just lazily assuming everyone voting for SF is a sponger as has been implied multiple times on this thread, diving deeper into their polling trends would imply to me that a great deal of their support comes from those who are working and feeling desperate, willing to try the probably over the definitely. Fortunately one would expect that voter base to collapse when the big boy business of actual budgets comes up, the pre-election promises of nectar and ambrosia for all are shown for what they are and SF lose all credibility for their next round of shouting about what they'd do from the opposition benches.

Well, this is really it. One of the most telling results of the Irish Times poll was when asked about the corporate tax rate, Sinn Fein voters were the ones who least wanted it to be increased. Which sits starkly against Sinn Fein's generally socialist manifesto.

When Sinn Fein do eventually come into Government, it's going to be a very bumpy start. They're going to be trying to balance the expectations of low-earning voters looking for more taxation on the wealthy, and younger high-earning voters who are expecting "changes" that don't hit them in the pocket. It'll become very clear quite early on that far from being radical politics, they will very much end up being a slightly more tax-hungry version of Fine Gael.

smurgen · 08-10-2021 9:43am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117991571#Comment_117991571

I dunno you seem to be conflating two arguments there. Some students partying so others couldn't possibly be struggling. Some logic!

Cyclingtourist · 08-10-2021 9:46am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117991492#Comment_117991492

I've seen about 60 years of elections and a significant number of the electorate aren't worried where the money comes from as long as it's not from them. SF ,as always, will suggest it's going to come from increased economic activity and taxing the 'rich'.

dudley72 · 08-10-2021 9:49am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117991765#Comment_117991765

The "rich" was people on 140k. That is now 100k if you missed the article above. That's 40k in 18 months they have miscalculated by. Maybe another 40k next year, that's 60k.

The magic money tree they promised have finally shown up, its called the worker

Cyclingtourist · 08-10-2021 9:52am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117991778#Comment_117991778

Rich to the majority of the electorate is anyone earning/getting twice what they get.

dudley72 · 08-10-2021 10:19am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117991797#Comment_117991797

No they don't. If someone who is on 50k they don't think someone on 100k is rich so not sure how you came up with that one. People seem to think Ireland is full of people on 500k plus and live in leafy south Dublin. It's a small percentage as SF have found out and hence why the 140k is now 100k.

In reality the main source of this new income will be coming from Doctor and Consultants, the very people SF said they want to hire more of. It's a kick in the teeth for these people who worked all sorts of crazy hours to help during the crisis. This is the reward SF want to give them.

BKelly21 · 08-10-2021 10:32am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117991906#Comment_117991906

You wouldn't consider someone on 100k+ as "rich"?

Just curious, what's your income threshold set at before you consider someone as rich?

dudley72 · 08-10-2021 10:38am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117991963#Comment_117991963

More interesting to hear what’s yours is? I already made my point so no need to repeat it

BackOfMyBag · 08-10-2021 10:42am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117991985#Comment_117991985

looks like you didn't make a point , you threw out this probably hoping no one would pull you up , or drill down into it lol

any chance you might enlighten the readers of the thread, what it is you consider an earnings threshold to be , before you consider someone to be rich ?

If someone who is on 50k they don't think someone on 100k is rich

dudley72 · 08-10-2021 10:45am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117992003#Comment_117992003

”Pull you up” 😂

If you can provide any information to prove I’m right or wrong then please go ahead. It’s an opinion.

God we are off into the bold words. Why not mix it up a bit with some italics

BKelly21 · 08-10-2021 10:52am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117991985#Comment_117991985

There's wildly differing opinions on what the definition of someone being "rich" is.

I mean, two people earning the exact same salaries in Ireland might be two differing standards of "rich"

Someone on 110k a year living in rural Leitrim in a house with a tiny or no mortgage for example might be a lot more "rich" than someone on 110k living in Dublin trying to service a mortgage on a property in D4.

The problem here is, you threw out nice soundbites about what's considered rich, without actually informing anyone on your own opinion on the matter.

That's handy when you might not necessarily be comfortable being pulled on it.

I'd consider someone on 100k to be certainly well off, well above the average earner in Ireland.

You don't seem to want to share what the threshold is before you consider someone as rich, and that's fine. But it implies you're a bit of a charlatan to be honest, I mean heaven forbid you'd back up what your opinion actually is.

dudley72 · 08-10-2021 10:58am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117992040#Comment_117992040

You(see what I done) think it's a problem. I don't.

Anyone who thinks a person on 100k is rich in Ireland today is deluded.

https://www.pwc.ie/issues/budget-2021/income-tax-calculator.html

Have a look at this. If you earn 100k you actually end up with just standard tax coming out with just under 64k. Then you need to take pensions out of that. LPT etc before you start on living costs like mortgage, food, cars, insurance and the list goes on.

Doesn't matter if you live in Dublin or Kerry or Mayo. Nobody is rich on 100k

smurgen · 08-10-2021 11:05am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117992076#Comment_117992076

I'm not sure I'm following. Rent aswell. Childcare costs and insurance damaging everyone's purchasing power. Does that concern you?

dudley72 · 08-10-2021 11:10am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117992110#Comment_117992110

If you can't follow then sorry I can't help.

iColdFusion · 08-10-2021 11:16am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117992076#Comment_117992076

A 100k salary only typically gets you a 350k mortgage which doesn't buy you much these days, hardly rich, rich would suggest you don't really have to work at all.

Take another €16k off that salary for your 350k mortgage plus running a car or using public transport to get to work and you'd be much richer if you could get one of those free brand new 4eva homes they are giving out and alot less stress, there arnt many 100k jobs that are easy or didn't require alot of education and sacrifice.

BKelly21 · 08-10-2021 11:33am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117992164#Comment_117992164

My guess would be most 350k mortgages in Ireland rely on combined salary's to qualify for them, ie 2 X individuals earning a combined income of €100k to qualify, so an individual earning over 100K is certainly well off, and earning high above the (twice actually) average salary.

You then go on to state that 100k jobs aren't easily got without a lot of sacrifice and education, and I agree. But you must surely be asking yourself why anyone would want to put themselves through such sacrifice and education slog, if it wasn't because of the financial rewards at the end of it.

I'm not suggesting a person earning 100k+ is rubbing shoulders with Mark Zuckerberg In the yacht club, but they're certainly well off as regards the AIW so far as Ireland's CSO is concerned.

Unfortunately, Dudley has yet to show his cards as to what earnings someone should be on before he or she would consider them rich or well off, but given his posts on the thread, I'm not surprised.

Brucie Bonus · 08-10-2021 11:33am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117991478#Comment_117991478

Ah the simple effort of insulting people because they didn't vote how you'd like. Bless.

Where did all the new SF votes come from? Fans of Bobby Sands or people who are well aware of their economic situation, going to other parties?

If you are hoping FG fare better, where do you think those votes will be coming from?

People, working people are looking at home ownership moving further out of reach and rents unmanageable and all FF/FG have to offer is bratty comments. No wonder SF are doing well out of it.

Brucie Bonus · 08-10-2021 11:37am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117991571#Comment_117991571

Heart of gold.

The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

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