The Curse of Defective Concrete (Mica, Pyrrhotite, etc.) in Donegal homes - Read Mod warning Post 1

They aren't mutually exclusive frankly.

Im against the privatisation of social housing it absolutely makes no sense to basically send hundreds of millions abroad and earn next to zero tax on it. We are literally bleeding money out of our economy with it.

Yeah they're on now. Dunno what they're saying as just on in the background here with volume down

Ha, sorry. Just saw them on so thought I'd see if anyone here had mentioned it already

So, explain to me how someone in gets a Mortgage to construct a property that will always be worth less (substantially it seems) than the cost of construction? That brings me on to the tax take, lower tax take can generally be equated to lower income, which does not correlate to the seeming excess disposable income, to cover the shortfall between the construction cost and mortgage-able value of the property.

I know I will now be told that x number of people purchased these houses on the used market at the going market rate, so they could afford that but not necessarily the construction cost, so they are only in a hole for the purchase price or the market value if Mica did not exist, lets be kind and say whichever is higher.

I'd be very curious to hear the breakdown of figures between first owners and used dwelling purchasers, to see how it washes out the disparity of cost vs nrv.

As for infrastructure, The Luas is in Dublin, so I wouldn't know anything about it, I can see a railway line, closest station is bit of a spin away, or a two plus hour walk regular buses? There was a bus stop 2 miles away, the Motorway fixed that, its about 6 miles now.

Public leisure centers? I presume you mean swimming pools gyms etc, the ones that are private that we pay a membership fee to use?

Its ****, I get that, but its guaranteed that there have to be losers in this, all I am suggesting is that we all loose. You get a new build to replace your 1980 to 2011 house from what I see reported as the affected range, so a 41 to 10 year old build replaced with new, the oldest builds are heading to needing work anyway, they will have a brand new roof and will be set for another 40 years, anyone else in the county with a 40 year old house is going to be stuck with that themselves, lets be fair, a rebuild of even a ten year old house leaves the person better off, there has to be some cost of that borne by the benefactor, especially considering that the other parties you are asking to pay for it have absolutely no part in this.

I get you are all pushing for a free rebuild, wouldn't we all if we were in your shoes, but in reality, we are not in a communist state, your property is your asset, all benefits and risks pertaining to that asset are yours unless covered by an insurance policy or secured against a finance agreement.

For example, if you get a rebuild for free, sell in ten years at a €120k profit over your purchase price, should you not owe an element of that to the tax payer as a stakeholder in the property, seeing as the general gist in your argument is that the tax payer is liable for the construction issues?

I look forward to being struck down for this, but I honestly believe that those seeking a complete bail out need to acknowledge that there are massive costs involved in this and that they need to be borne proportionately.

I've said it a few times on the Mica Facebook group, pissing people off by blocking motorways is a terrible idea and will do far more harm than good.

And this is just days after those Insulate Britain dickheads have demonstrated this so well in the UK.

Such a stupid thing to do.

I've made my feelings known and believe redress is required, I won't claim to know how that's achieved or how much but I have to comment on the quite shocking lack of reporting on yesterday's protest (incidenty I must be honest and say blocking motorways not helping any cause and have to also say the spokes person Paddy Diver is not helping, I get his frustrations and anger but feel he's going over the top a Tad)

Recent posters I saw with public figures faces crossed out were quite ominous to be honest and I'm no fan of those who's faces were crossed out either.

Media Coverage.

Morning Ireland barely mentioning the Mica Story.

The Claire Byrne radio show in fairness has given the Mica scandal a lot of coverage, particularly reporter Barry Kenny who reported live from the city yesterday.

Joe Duffy has ignored the story completely, I suspect under instructions , clearly callers have been trying to call the show for weeks and Duffy or management having none of it.

But most intriguing was RTE''s main evening news last night. Main story was whinging farmer protests, followed by wind power (Both involved a lot of wind and not the weather variety), I think the Mica story was the 6th story and really only an aside.

Either the message is being lost or a concerted effort to Bury the story is at play ,

Dare I say its starting to look like the pandemic bonus debacle, initially everyone up in arms, every public service union looking for a slice of the pie, government spokes people mutter occasional words of support for the idea, then quietness settles in, followed by complete silence in the hope everyone forgets about that idea, In essence I'm sensing a classic, let them turn on themselves approach by government. Those legitimately leading the protests really need to ask is the movement loosing the run of itself and ultimately the battle.

Just my humble opinion I might add. I still absolutely support redress.

Any more of this and you won't be posting here again.

Donegal already costs Dublin a fortune, but that's ok. However, blocking the tax payers that help sustain you from going about their business & work will reduce the sympathy that's there.

That was a mistake.

Totally agree and I've said it before.

If you're looking for someone to do the Braveheart style speech for troops going into battle, Paddy is your man.

But he's not a good public speaker. Any time I've seen or heard him interviewed he just gets too emotional and waffles. Totally fails to present the facts.

Also the God status that's being applied to him helps nobody. Not his fault of course.

This crowd number seems to keep growing by the hour.....