Dun Laoghaire Traffic & Commuting Chat

Cyrus · 05-10-2021 7:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117980837#Comment_117980837

It's as credible as proclaiming those cycling to work are less well off than their Co workers that drive.

05-10-2021 8:35pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117980798#Comment_117980798

I thought you were arguing that bikes were the most efficient form of transport, you have been banging on about this since forever.

Are you now saying bikes reduce the productivity of staff, can you at least try to be consistent.

ted1 · 05-10-2021 9:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117980570#Comment_117980570

How can you justify those actions. You are just as bad as the person making the threats

Larbre34 · 05-10-2021 10:47pm

Andrew has a sort of Paul Murphy socialist view of things, which makes it entirely unreal and far easier not to engage with. Its quite simply not how the World works.

Larbre34 · 05-10-2021 10:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117980570#Comment_117980570

No, no because. No ifs, ands or buts. Making personal threats is absolutely disgusting as well as being a crime.

I disagree with a huge amount of what Burns' policies are and also how he conducts himself on social media and so on as an unelected public official, but that is the only basis on which I'll tackle him.

His family, his home, those of his staff, they are all one hundred percent off limits under any circumstances, end of story.

Anyone who threatens someone in that manner is no better than the pond scum who have shown up to harass government ministers at their homes, often with their families inside. Its a tactic of fascists, cowards and bottom feeders.

AndrewJRenko · 08-10-2021 8:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117981049#Comment_117981049

Where exactly did I argue that please? If you want to spend productive time on three DLR sites spread over Stepaside, Blackrock and Shankill on any given day, you're probably not going to do it on a bike. In fairness to DLR, they're done a fair bit of work to encourage staff to switch over to eBikes and cargo bikes, which is great - but let's be honest, this is just spite from your good self, and nothing to do with active travel.

08-10-2021 8:58pm

How many have actually switched over, how many are driving to work who live within 8km of the office, isnt the advice walk to work if you live within 5km and cycle if you live within 8km. I dont see much tweeting about staff cycling or walking in their droves to work.

I mean " what does a fair bit of work to encourage staff to switch over mean',if the council arent actually achieving success in reducing the numbers of their own staff who drive to work unnecessarily how can they persuade the general public to ditch their cars.

So now its clearer to me, the ordinary person who wants to drive to Blackrock and Stepaside and Shankill should be using cycling or using public transport but the council officials are such busy bees they need to drive. There is a very good Dart service between Dunlaoghaire and Shankill and the station is a minutes walk from the council offices. The officials can bring their bikes on the Dart and off they go, simple as.

An official can make good use of the Coastal Mobility route and cycle to Blackrock within minutes, are you seriously telling me any official needs to drive to shankill or Blackrock.

You have no credibility left.

Mav11 · 11-10-2021 7:51am

Was down in DL yesterday took the dog for a walk from the ferry terminal to the forty foot and back via the Peoples Pk and Georges St. Beautiful day, only problem was that the place was absolutely jammed with cars, completely chocablock. Very unpleasant with the fumes, horns blaring and people getting irate with the traffic jams.

Seems to be much worse since they reopened Lr Georges St as cars are increasingly using it as a rat run. DLRCC should consider closing it off again, at least at the weekends.

Also a huge amount of cyclists out, taking advantage of the cycle infrastructure, only problem is that there are not enough cycle racks in Sandycove and the Forty Foot. The council needs to address this.

Homesick Alien · 11-10-2021 10:51am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118003074#Comment_118003074

Yeah was down there myself yesterday and noticed that too. Traffic was backed the whole way from the people's park through Glasthule village. We locked our bikes to each other at the forty foot as they were all full. Nice to see so many cycling though. Right by the 40 foot some cars had parked up against the cycle parking blocking in the owners of the bikes 🤷‍♂️

11-10-2021 12:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118003074#Comment_118003074

Its really nice fir you that you only had to take the dog for a walk.

Other people have young children and are coming from far and wide to the coast.

Many others take elderly family members for a drive to Dunlaoghaire, shame these old folk dont just stay in their nursing homes so their cars arent inconveniencing you.

Larbre34 · 11-10-2021 12:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118003602#Comment_118003602

The traffic from Glasthule northwards is only because of the coastal cycle path.

Mav11 · 11-10-2021 12:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118004026#Comment_118004026

That's a bit two faced isn't it? It doesn't take much to be civil and less sarcastic. One of my children was also with me, before you start jumping to further conclusions.

And if you had read the post you would have gathered that these same elderly people that you are bangining on about, were stuck in traffic jams and further more would have found it very difficult to find parking. I know this because I drove down there yesterday, because of the dog and children and experienced all of the above.

But as is your usual MO you couldn't be bothered!! So less of the sarcasm and more civility please, to borrow from the other thread.

11-10-2021 1:10pm

Dunlaoghaire belongs to all citizens, access to it for many is by car so no point in you grumbling about fumes.

Every coastal area is the same, long lanes of traffic coming and going, do you want roads closed everywhere so only locals can enjoy the sea.

You didnt mention a child, you said you walked the dog so i posted how nice for you, no other care in the world.

Homesick Alien · 11-10-2021 8:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118004086#Comment_118004086

The traffic is because of all the cars

Mav11 · 12-10-2021 12:17am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118006338#Comment_118006338

That particular penny hasn’t dropped yet!

12-10-2021 8:51am

If you want to live in a scenic location free from cars then move to a low population area.

Dunlaoghaire is no different to Bray or Greystones, all three areas full of cars at nice weekends.

Why suggest closing off the Georges Street exit from the town if you want less cars.

You have a main route into the town closed off to cars and you want a main exit route closed too, the result is total chaos, drivers stressed, horns blaring etc.

Best to just enjoy the walk and forget about the cars, nothing anyone can do about people wanting to use their cars at the weekend.

Mav11 · 12-10-2021 10:07am

Cut and paste, cut and paste.......................................................YAWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

12-10-2021 11:52am

What an intelligent thought out response.

Thank You

Larbre34 · 12-10-2021 4:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118007203#Comment_118007203

It has.

I haven't decided yet whether to have the coastal cycle route removed or not.

Mav11 · 12-10-2021 5:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118009781#Comment_118009781

You might give us the heads up here first, when you do decide!😁

AndrewJRenko · 12-10-2021 6:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118007608#Comment_118007608

Doesn't matter how many times you say 'nothing can be done' or 'no point in grumbling' - there is loads that can be done, and it will be done, in agonisingly small steps apparently but the tide is absolutely turning, despite your best efforts to keep expectations on the floor.

Larbre34 · 12-10-2021 6:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118010105#Comment_118010105

Don't worry Mav, you'll be the first to know.

Mav11 · 12-10-2021 7:09pm

Appreciate that Labre. We could help you iron out any wrinkles.

Larbre34 · 12-10-2021 7:15pm

You can be my wing man anytime.

patrickbrophy18 · 12-10-2021 8:19pm

I find it hilarious how virtuous and assuming some of the anti-car retoric is. There are people who by choice or ability wont want to cycle just like there are those who dont want to take public transport or walk. It is called freedom of choice.

Punishing those who choose not to cycle or walk by implementing measures based on the very myopic and one sided DMURS/NCM is obnoxious. It is the next best thing to a violation of civil liberties.

For businesses, this sadly results in a tonne of compliance related paper work and resultant overheads. This builds a huge amount of risk into the decisions of any would-be entrepreneur wishing to establish a traditional brick and morter shop in suburbia. That doesn't include the inconvenience that will drive (no pun intended) many potential customers away from those shops.

qb123 · 12-10-2021 9:20pm

It's not anti-car rhetoric, it's pro-cycling. (ok, some of it here is anti-car or anti-cycling, but that's largely because of the decline in the tone of this thread, especially since a certain contributor joined.) Cars can easily and safely access all areas of the county; for those who choose to cycle it's can be an unnerving experience given the lack of road space afforded by cars. This is a big part of the reason why fewer women and children cycle - they don't feel safe. Whereas if you do provide safe cycling infrastructure, ala the CMR, you can see greater numbers cycling and more women, children and older people. Unfortunately to make it safer for cycling entails taking a little road space from cars (it can't be taken from pedestrians as they already have pitifully little), and this does put drivers out because they have to drive a little bit further or wait in traffic a bit longer. But the road is a scarce resource and the dominance of cars has to be reversed, not just to cater for cyclists, but also public transport initiatives such as bus connects.

12-10-2021 10:40pm

Women and children dont cycle because its easier to drive or take a bus.

so patronising to link women and children together as if women are pathetic weaklings afraid to cycle.

The CMR is mainly a nice jsunt on a sunny day, its empty most of the week.

And closing off half of Seapoint Ave isnt taking a little bit of roadspace, its caused traffic to divert to other roads and its causing gridlock on Monkstown Road.

This decision needs to be reviewed, it was al very well doing this in March 2020 under a covid emergency cover when everyone was at home.

Traffic is worse than ever now and both Roads to Dunlaoghaire need to be open to traffic, close Seapoint southbound on sunday afternoon but it definitely needs to be open the rest of the week.

Mav11 · 13-10-2021 7:59am

@patrickbrophy18 : What does this mean? Thanks

DMURS/NCM

patrickbrophy18 · 13-10-2021 8:05am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118012267#Comment_118012267

DMURS: Design Manual for Urban Roads and Streets

NCM: National Cycle Manual

Mav11 · 13-10-2021 8:17am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118012279#Comment_118012279

Thanks. I didn't know that these publications existed.

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