All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

• Do you still believe that the virus is a hoax?
• Do you still believe that vaccines don't work?
• Do you still believe that masks don't work to slow transmission?
• Do you believe that 'big pharma' somehow manufactured this crisis?
• Do you believe that with no restrictions life would have gone on as normal for the last 18 months (with no more deaths than normal)?
• Do you believe that without vaccines life would be approaching normality again?
• Do you believe that RTE and all other media are putting out false information, and the same for the BBC and other media?
• Do you think that the 30+ people that made up NPHET are in on some conspiracy to do damage to the rest of our population?
• Do you believe the government is out to do damage to the population?

If you believe any of that then I think your view of the world is seriously out of sync with reality, and that's all very fine if it keeps you happy!

What is unfortunate, however, is that some people who believe some, or all, of the above are proclaiming it to be the truth (even though it's a product of their own fear and imagination), and are convincing a small percentage of others that it is the truth. The people who believe this then go on to make up a disproportionate number of those being hospitalised for Covid or in ICU (see "Covid cases in ICU up 20% in a week, with 67% unvaccinated" from RTE yesterday).

What's your opinion on the politicians in the UK....where you live...

Are they tyrants too because masks are still required in the North?

Is the 6 counties of the North a conspiracy?

It shouldn't need to be explained to you that there are only 26 counties in the Republic and the one you live in isn't one of them.

If you struggle understanding this I don't think there is any point discussing science with you.

Is this you?

I can see how you might struggle to understand a few things relating to covid now if you don't even understand what country you live in.

There must be some clues close to where you live to show that you don't live in the Republic of Ireland surely? Road signs in mph rather than kmph? Paying tax to a government that isn't the Irish government? A different currency?

What has this to do with covid restrictions being permanent? Why bring up this tangent when you're dodging so maymny points already?

This latest tangent is a bit ridiculous.

it is inarguable fact that the island of Ireland is composed of 32 counties. The country called Ireland not so much. I'll think you'll find that another country is in charge when you cross the border into Northern Ireland.

Next you'll be telling us it's your inalienable right to tell people you live in the Republic of Ireland and that it's all one country under common law.

Anyway back on topic. You say you're not a conspiracy theorist but join the conspiracy theorists side on this thread. Maybe you're a covid denier and don't believe covid exists at all?

Why are you talking as though 67% unvaccinated is some kind of unprecedented statistic? Why don't you be transparent with the figures if they are so shocking?

Here's a more shocking headline for you: "73 people currently in ICU - 1/3 are fully vaccinated"

The average age of death in the last week was 80 despite almost 100% of those over 70 being vaccinated...

Do acknowledge that the vaccines have dangerous side effects especially in younger people?

Do you acknowledge that we still do not have 5 year, 2 year, even 1 year safety/efficacy data for the vaccine?

Do you acknowledge that many pregnant women have not yet been vaccinated despite them being advised to?

Do you acknowledge that (up to september) 12% of health staff and 6% of doctors in private practices in France remain unvaccinated? Are you saying that you are more medically qualified to give advice on the vaccine than 6% of French doctors in private practices?

Do you acknowledge that many countries have banned certain vaccine brands?

Your position is not infallible

Effects are relative, e.g. you are approx. 10 times more likely to die from a blood clot due to Covid than from the vaccine.

Vaccines are heavily regulated and have passed their trials. We are still learning about the long term effects and dangers of Covid.

As of September an estimated 6% of doctors in France have yet to be vaccinated. Which means 94% of doctors are vaccinated. The overwhelmingly consensus of doctors is to vaccinate.

You are parroting anti-vaccine talking points and tropes. What measures will be permanent and why?

Yes, the vaccines have some rare side effects, but the chances of being effected by them are far far lower than the dangerous effects of covid. Which side effects are you concerned about?

There are many studies that show the safety and efficacy of the vaccines. Calling for 5 and 2 year studies is completely arbitrary and pointless. Are you saying that the studies have have shown the vaccines to be safe and effective are all false?

How many pregnant women aren't getting vaccinated? I notice that you use specific figures for other points, but not this one. Strange that. Also, what point are you trying to make with this?

Lol. So 94% of doctors and 88% of health care workers are wrong? Are you saying that you are more qualified to give advice that 94% of doctors? What a ridiculous point to make.

Some countries temporarily halted the use of one brand of the vaccine. Your statement is not accurate or honest.

Note how easily we're able to address your points directly, clear and on the first try.

You didn't even respond to the points in the post you quoted.

But aren't you spinning the truth there to try to give the impression that that my point is invalid?

If 10% of adults are unvaccinated then you would expect that 10% of adults in ICU would be unvaccinated if the vaccine had no protective effect, do you agree with this?

If 67% of adults in ICU are actually unvaccinated then surely you can see there is something that is causing unvaccinated to appear there at a rate nearly 7 times higher than you would expect?

If there are 73 in ICU then 49 must be unvaccinated (67%). If unvaccinated make up 10% of the adult population, then there should be 490 adults in ICU if the vaccines didn't have any protective effect. But there are only 73 in ICU, so where are the other 417 people that should be there if you are correct and vaccines don't work? The answer would seem to be that those additional 417 people were saved from ICU by being vaccinated (and this little illustration might show us what the hospital situation might be like if we hadn't rolled out the vaccine so successfully).

you are. you most definitely are.