Dun Laoghaire Traffic & Commuting Chat

In decisions on what kind of parking they provide for staff, which is the issue we were discussion, they can absolutely do what they like.

If you want to incentivise people to work out there, maybe try initiatives that reach a much wider, not just the better off. How about a shuttle bus, how about bike facilities and showers. But regardless, your suggestion that employee parking is unique to the public sector is just wrong.

The bike2work scheme isn’t funded. It’s a tax relief that represents a saving of about 100 a year. I don’t see how you think motorists find it , it’s only available to PAYE workers

the tax saver can be worth several thousand a year and is used for public transport where journeys are already subsided.

It seems that all here are in agreement that there is way too much public sector car parking. If there are problems with introducing BIK on it, then probably the next best thing is removing the spaces...for the private sector, perhaps charge companies €1000 per space per annum. For public sector - where they'd just accept that and have the taxpayer pay it, there should be another method, like a (mandatory!!!) directive to remove 75% of spaces if within a city.

In fairness, depending on your PAYE tax rate, typical annual savings over retail cost, using the Taxsaver scheme, are between €1,500 and €3,000 to the user.

maybe so i didnt realise how expensive some of the tickets are, although you would imagine the majority of users are getting the annual rail or bus which is 1,450 or so, tax benefit is only 700 euro on that,

I'd have thought it was fairly self explanatory given the relative costs of buying and operating a bike vs a car. You'd get a decent new bike on the road for just the tax and insurance costs of running a car.

All those charges are shared by the organisation, not paid by the motorists who use the space. What's the resistance to expecting those who use and enjoy the facility to pay something for it?

When did we all agree that? Did we look at the proportion of parking spaces to employees? Did we look at the nature of work carried out by those employees and how many of them visit multiple locations as part of their work?

Whatever BIK we bring in should apply to all, and should be paid by the drivers who use the spaces, not their employer.

It's not self explanatory at all Andrew, if I'm wearing a rolex and you are wearing a casio can you say that I am better off than you?

There are plenty of my friends cycling around on bikes that cost more than most people's cars, in fact their peripherals probably cost more than a cheap run around.

Broadly, the answer is probably Yes, if you are wearing a Rolex that you are probably better off. For everyone one of your plenty of friends with expensive bikes, you have ten friends with more expensive cars. And for your friends with the fancy bikes, their car running costs leave their bike running costs in the hal'penny place.

Just look around you, it's not hard to see. Unless you reckon all those Deliveroo cyclists and 3rd level students slip into their Beamers and their Lexii to drive home? Are you really going to base the credibility of your position on this?

Andrew has a sort of Paul Murphy socialist view of things, which makes it entirely unreal and far easier not to engage with. Its quite simply not how the World works.

Where exactly did I argue that please? If you want to spend productive time on three DLR sites spread over Stepaside, Blackrock and Shankill on any given day, you're probably not going to do it on a bike. In fairness to DLR, they're done a fair bit of work to encourage staff to switch over to eBikes and cargo bikes, which is great - but let's be honest, this is just spite from your good self, and nothing to do with active travel.

Was down in DL yesterday took the dog for a walk from the ferry terminal to the forty foot and back via the Peoples Pk and Georges St. Beautiful day, only problem was that the place was absolutely jammed with cars, completely chocablock. Very unpleasant with the fumes, horns blaring and people getting irate with the traffic jams.

Seems to be much worse since they reopened Lr Georges St as cars are increasingly using it as a rat run. DLRCC should consider closing it off again, at least at the weekends.

Also a huge amount of cyclists out, taking advantage of the cycle infrastructure, only problem is that there are not enough cycle racks in Sandycove and the Forty Foot. The council needs to address this.

That's a bit two faced isn't it? It doesn't take much to be civil and less sarcastic. One of my children was also with me, before you start jumping to further conclusions.

And if you had read the post you would have gathered that these same elderly people that you are bangining on about, were stuck in traffic jams and further more would have found it very difficult to find parking. I know this because I drove down there yesterday, because of the dog and children and experienced all of the above.

But as is your usual MO you couldn't be bothered!! So less of the sarcasm and more civility please, to borrow from the other thread.

The traffic is because of all the cars

You might give us the heads up here first, when you do decide!😁

Don't worry Mav, you'll be the first to know.

You can be my wing man anytime.

@patrickbrophy18 : What does this mean? Thanks

Thanks. I didn't know that these publications existed.

Freedom of choice, but it shouldn't be freedom of choice. You shouldn't be allowed drive and park your toxic fume spewing tank wherever you want. It infringes on other people. People used to say the same about smoking before it was banned indoors, they're taking our freedoms.

Your so called freedom is wrecking things for other people. Private cars need to be cut out of our lives as much as possible especially in cities, whether granny wants to drive around Dun Laoghaire or not, and very slowly the tide is turning that way.

And personally I couldn't care less if a few very old people can't get to certain places because of the banning of cars, tough. We must do what is best for the majority. I wont expect to be driven wherever I want to go when I'm old and decrepit, the world doesn't revolve around a tiny percentage of people who can't walk a few meters, and nor should it.