Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

No, what's being suggested by timmyntc is that the extra costs on the health system associated with being unvaccinated should be borne by the people who are unvaccinated as they are multiple times more likely to consume health resources to treat COVID-19 than the vaccinated, everything else you say is whataboutery.

But most unvaccinated won't end up in hospital anyway as most people who get it don't end up in hospital. So you're looking to punish the majority of unvaccinated because a minority of them end up in hospital? Those who end up in hospital will likely be old or fat if we're being honest, and as someones who's young and in shape I don't see how in the world I can be punished for the results of the conditions of others.

How so ?

The taxes on those products are justified by governments as diminishing the cost of public healthcare by some due to their lifestyle choices that would otherwise be borne by those who did not make those choices.

If some choose not to avail of a vaccine then that is a lifestyle choice, that should it result in them requiring medical care, will be one that is being paid for by those that made a choice to avail of the vaccines. Presently we have 90% of the population vaccinated yet 70% of those requiring hospital care are unvaccinated.

Even apart from the tax on these products, those that make the lifestyle choice to ignore the health advise such as smokers, also have social restrictions that are punishable for non-compliance.

I read that in the IT which accompanied it with a quote from Paul Reid “It’s going to be a very difficult winter. Our staff are exhausted.”

Grim reading that quiet hospitals can overwhelm our health service where they are "exhausted" already in the year with flu season just beginning.

That being said, while I have my suspicions that we will see some dodgy press releases over the coming week to do with covid worries, I don't expect the government to bow to the zealots and delay the 22nd October reopening.

Things are mysteriously quiet from the powers that be with regards the reopening. No negative soundbites just yet. Could yet happen, maybe they're just seeing how this pans out over the next while. My own personal feelings aside I can't see them pressing ahead with it if hospitalisations and incidence continue to rise. But I hope I'm wrong and they're confident it's just a short transient blip that will reduce again very soon.

That’s what i mentioned in my post. Read it again.

the 6/10 are coming from a total of 3.7 million people whereas the 4/10 are coming from the 300k group. So the hospital stats are meaningless without context.

Hopefully she isn't unable to get a vaccine, but they can be taken anytime during pregnancy, the risk of severe disease if catching COVID during pregnancy seems to be quite high. If you're unable to vaccinate, wrap in cotton wool and keep anyone unvaccinated away from her, mask up, sanitise, society will open up but it sounds like you have a few more months of effective lockdown.

You also need to hope that the ICU stays relatively low occupancy if the worst happens, so encourage as many as you can to be vaccinated.

prob as many vaxxed now as ever will be. its all over for the public now, hospitals and medics will just have to deal with as best they can, same as every other illness

you know its over when even claire byrne has left it behind , 2 weeks in a row now of zero covd stories. that says it all

We drink diluted poison in significant quantities as we enjoy the buzz so of course we aren't going to be afraid of a little vaccine!

I can already see the government's Christmas PR piece with returning emigrants who finally get to have a normal Christmas with their parents and grandparents. That alone is a reason I feel the government don't want to delay reopening any further, they desperately need to try to spin it into something which makes them look good.

Thankfully neither of which are reflective of reality. By their nature, internet forums are biased towards introverted types who sit around on their laptops, tablets, phones and frequent online spaces, instead of getting out and, you know, actually living life. It's evident throughout this thread, the same few posters interspersed with more sporadic posters. That's why I'd always be reluctant to read too much into what's said on these forums. In fact, the vast majority of people I meet face to face don't even talk about Covid anymore.

I honestly don't think they would go mad. The current restrictions are having very little effect on the majority of people. At many points throughout the last 20 months I thought there would be a back lash. Its never once materialised, and if any rumblings appeared they were quickly rounded on and labelled as anti vax or trouble makers.

Thats not to say they shouldn't be lifted on the 22nd. but if they don't, it will be due to hse management trying to cover their arses rather than fixing their shambles of a health service.