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dudley72 · 13-10-2021 9:51am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118012581#Comment_118012581

I am sure he has an opinion. Opinions are like arseh***es everyone has one.

As you didn't provide a link to what his opinion is then I don;'t know if they have/haven't. The government have figured out you can't have rental properties without LL's. Love or hate them but that is true. The swing towards the tenant has driven a huge percentage of the Irish LL out of the market and that is why we have the issues in rentals. It was easier to flog the property and move on.

The government are trying to fix that. Will it work? lets see in 3-4 years.

breezy1985 · 13-10-2021 9:59am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118012580#Comment_118012580

Quite common to see these landlords born into the property or money which I was not. Myself and a lot of people my generation and younger can't afford a single family home never mind property to rent out.

We are in the middle of a housing crisis and making life easier for landlords to buy up even more of the houses will only make it worse

Building accommodation on the masses of derelict sites in Ireland and ring fenced for first time buyers is the only way out of this but sadly for the landlords that will hurt rental and property prices.

From what I can see if we want out of this we are gonna have to upset a lot of landlords and NIMBYs too

Murph85 · 13-10-2021 10:17am

I support the budget in so far as it wasnt financially reckless...

I'd get rid of lpt, supported by all and would benefit those that contribute far more then their fair share, the most...

Property tax in a properly run country is a good thing, here the rate its charged at, all the exceptions, the massive under valuing that goes on, it's a waste of time. Collects less than a billion afaik...

awec · 13-10-2021 10:44am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118012705#Comment_118012705

There are no real exceptions to the LPT, it is one of the most effective taxes you can have in terms of ensuring widespread compliance and ensuring that everyone is contributing.

This is exactly the reason why SF want to get rid of it.

dudley72 · 13-10-2021 10:46am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118012638#Comment_118012638

Not everyone wants to buy a house, especially a young couple moving in for first time. That plan would end up with people either staying at home or buying a house. Unworkable for any country

dudley72 · 13-10-2021 10:47am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118012705#Comment_118012705

Once you own a house you pay LPT. No hiding money in another country etc. It is a great tax and one that has seen great improvements in local amenities around Ireland.

As posted it is hugely effective and everyone has to pay. Other parties talkign about getting rid of it haven't a clue and they are just using buzz word to keep people happy.

is_that_so · 13-10-2021 10:50am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118012480#Comment_118012480

It must be a good one if it offended so many groups at once but the media do their level best to hunt down every malcontent with an opinion they can find. The real positive is the huge chunk of money they plan to commit to infrastructure, housing and health. The other "giveaway" stuff is crowd pleasing but will be very quickly offset by rising fuel and energy costs. Many of us in the crowd would like to see signs of things being fixed and improved.

breezy1985 · 13-10-2021 11:03am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118012852#Comment_118012852

No I am not calling for the abolition of rental property just the ending of its current monopoly as the only option in town.

Rental accommodation is a great part of the mix in a functional housing market but we don't have one of those

Fann Linn · 13-10-2021 11:10am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118012868#Comment_118012868

Thank you. My feeling exactly. I don't think this 'fiver for everybody in the audience' is useful or warranted.

I'd prefer to see something tangible that would benefit society as a whole. An example of the top of my head could be that primary education is truly free and parents would never be required to buy school books or pay 'contributions' while little Mary or Johnny are in NS. Or the state provides free public transport for all school/ college pupils.

But this piecemeal budget is an attempt to try and please everyone but actually not really helping anyone.

I look forward to seeing the new infrastructure, housing and reductions in health care waiting lists, currently standing at 900,000 patients.

dudley72 · 13-10-2021 11:11am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118012920#Comment_118012920

But it's not the only option in town. At the moment on daft you have over 10,500 houses for sale and over 1500 apartments for sale. That is in the middle of a housing crisis we are told about.

After the last crash the plan was to move Ireland towards more of a rental system instead of this obsession with "getting the foot on the property ladder". Ten years later and everyone is obsessed again with buying houses.

Rental has no monopoly, due to the changes the number of rentals have dropped as LL got out of it, the risks are too high for bad tenants that you cannot get rid of, people wrecking properties and walking away with no come back etc. All this changes have resulted in a lack of rental properties. The likes of DCC failing to build social housing for the last number of years and also failing to get rent from tenants hasn't helped either. It is a catalogue of things but pushing everyone down the route of having to buy a house or suck it up is the totally wrong direction Ireland should be going.

Murph85 · 13-10-2021 11:34am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118012858#Comment_118012858

Many had an exemption for years from lpt. Many pay e90 a year... it's not paid by those in social housing. I'd be in favour of a poll tax...

Every adult in the local authority area contributes...

My alternative simple budget. Lpt gone. Significant motor tax increases on all new petrol and diesel In particular cars... significant increases in the threshold before you pay the marginal rate of tax. No more free gp visits! E25 a visit for everyone...

Non of this one broke taxpayer pays e60 and the non worker gets it for nothing. Totally ridiculous!

dudley72 · 13-10-2021 11:35am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118013040#Comment_118013040

Any adult on social welfare won't.

Plus someone in a multi million property is going to pay the same? the LPT is to cover off the county council to provide for people living in the area. The best way is the LPT and it has worked massively successfully. Why anyone would change is beyond me?

A poll tax will be a nightmare to work out

In regards to the update with Motor tax, that was done last year. Diesels etc got hit, diesel imports got hit. Fuel prices have increased. So all been done.

So people are sick and your great idea is to target them? we should be looking after the sick, not trying to take money off them. That's what the government are trying to do.

breezy1985 · 13-10-2021 11:50am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118012948#Comment_118012948

I agree with you on one thing and only one. All the talk of "getting on the property ladder" was an absolute disgrace. Buying a house should be about having a home for you and your family for most of your life and not some ladder where you are forever going on about resale value and moving up the ladder

breezy1985 · 13-10-2021 11:54am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118013040#Comment_118013040

I think we need more free GP visits for people not on medical cards. The visits I am talking about are the ones where your GP has informed you that you have to go back every x number of months for a re-evaluation of your medication. Some people will have to do that and pay out for their entire working life and I think it should be different to someone going in with a cough

FrancieBrady · 13-10-2021 12:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118012512#Comment_118012512

Why you are trying to bluff on this, escapes me, when a quick google will bring up the fact that reaction to the budget is 'mixed' to say the least. Here is an overview from just the business sector where parts have been welcomed and parts have been 'heavily criticised'.

Mixed reaction to Budget 2022 measures from business (rte.ie)

dudley72 · 13-10-2021 1:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118013380#Comment_118013380

If you had read the thread you would of found I shared the exact link you just shared 😂

FrancieBrady · 13-10-2021 2:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118013923#Comment_118013923

And?

Yu were trying to bluff that reaction on a radio show was positive. If you had any intention to be credible you would have known anything representing 'reaction as positive' was false and misleading. But no, you pushed the radio show out there as indicative. Chancer.

Shebean · 13-10-2021 2:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118012842#Comment_118012842

If SF supporters are all looking for handouts, never worked a day etc., they don't pay LPT.

While we do away with protections for renters we extend them for landlords. Says it all.

dudley72 · 13-10-2021 2:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118014413#Comment_118014413

What protection for renters? the protection that if they don't bother paying a LL cannot throw them out? do you really think that is a long term plan for any government?

Shebean · 13-10-2021 4:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118014459#Comment_118014459

You are creating your own thing to get upset about. Nobody said anything about refusing to pay rent.

Pandemic assistant to help renters during Covid. Why extend it for Landlords but not renters? As with your attitude here it's tipped to favour the landlord. The FG mindset hasn't changed in a hundred years.

dudley72 · 13-10-2021 4:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118015127#Comment_118015127

It's a discussion forum, people discuss topics, the constant accusation of people getting upset adds nothing to the topic

The pandemic in reality is over now for the majority of people. All offices are fully opened soon and even the traffic when I went to Dublin earlier was back to crazy pre-pandemic

Shebean · 13-10-2021 5:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118015149#Comment_118015149

Are you ignoring or did you forget the comment you are getting up in arms about? They extended the covid protections for landlords but not renters. Get onto FF/FG/Green about that. They also extended wage help for business where you and I are subsidising supermac's profits through johnny flipburger's wages. You're good with that too I imagine.

dudley72 · 13-10-2021 5:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118015183#Comment_118015183

I am up in arms about nothing, as I said I am happy with the budget. Not my problem why you can't understand why they would do continue the LL, why not ring and ask?

If I am helping people who are willing to go out and work then yes I am happy with that. It the people sitting at home and could work is the waste of money from my point of view. Some other parties are more interested in ploughing money into those people, I prefer to give it to the workers

Good on the government

RandomViewer · 13-10-2021 5:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118012461#Comment_118012461

Would've been more than living wage but when you factor in €70-80 fuel costs and best part of two hours travelling every day that is lost, It was the extra cost of travelling I was on about ,you seen to have taken it up wrong,

Shebean · 13-10-2021 6:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118015211#Comment_118015211

I criticised ceasing protections for renters while extending it for landlords. This put your nose out of joint.

You are assuming renters need protection from being thrown out due to not paying rent or such but Landlords and business need protection for genuine reasons.

I seem to spend more time explaining things to you, including previous comments you made yourself, than actually discussing anything.

dudley72 · 13-10-2021 6:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118015454#Comment_118015454

"nose out of joint" based on what? you should never made assumptions on a forum. Nothing in my posts suggest anything is out of joint.

If you spend a lot of time explaining your own posts that is not my fault, so sorry I can't help you

You twist posts, that is not my fault and sorry I can't help you either on that.

Shebean · 13-10-2021 7:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118015555#Comment_118015555

No need to get personal.

I mentioned they were cutting back on protections for renters while extending them for landlords. You've an issue with renters getting protections but support it for landlords. Fair enough. Not sure why you have an issue with my opinion that that isn't fair.

dudley72 · 13-10-2021 7:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118015908#Comment_118015908

You made a comment as if I had intellectual issues and couldn’t understand your posts or even my own

I seem to spend more time explaining things to you, including previous comments you made yourself, than actually discussing anything

I was just explaining if people have an issue understanding your posts it’s not something I can help you with. Will leave you to it

Shebean · 13-10-2021 8:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118015955#Comment_118015955

Geez louise. I pointed out they cut back on renters protections but extended landlord protections.

atticu · 13-10-2021 9:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118015341#Comment_118015341

No, I did not take it up wrong.

You seem to have a problem with the cost of fuel, and think that it will make it harder to employ or retain staff. I said that you should consider paying them more.

Workers have a right to work where they want, not were you think they should.

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