Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII Read OP For Mod Warnings

mikekerry · 15-10-2021 2:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118023813#Comment_118023813

If they showed people prancing around in a giant bubble stating this could be an option for going to a gig I have no doubt they would have no issue whatsoever showing people people dancing with masks on and complimenting it.

Beechwoodspark · 15-10-2021 2:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118023616#Comment_118023616

Unfortunately covid doesn’t respect our plans/wishes - i wish it wasn’t so but it is

Penfailed · 15-10-2021 2:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118023930#Comment_118023930

That's a different argument. I'd quite happily have everything opened tomorrow.

Red Silurian · 15-10-2021 2:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118023554#Comment_118023554

Ronan needs to speak to my boss, not me!

bucketybuck · 15-10-2021 2:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118023926#Comment_118023926

Its disgraceful. To publicly announce a reopening date with over 2 months notice. To let business owners make their plans and spend money prepping, and then one week before that reopening start giving leaks that it might not happen, but with the actual confirmation of whats happening only to come a few days before the reopening.

And they have done this repeatedly over the course of this pandemic.

Its shamefully disrespectful from an incompetent shower of clowns.

bear1 · 15-10-2021 2:43pm

Sarcasm

Nyero · 15-10-2021 2:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118023913#Comment_118023913

You are missing the point though.

When they said "the next 2 weeks are crucial" the first time there was no plan for what would happen after 2 weeks.

Then they kept the "2 weeks" line up for months, knowing it was BS.

They also dragged the absolute arse out of restrictions, which, in my view, has led to poor natural immunity (and that's not just covid at this stage) meaning we could be facing into a perfect storm as we approach Christmas.

PTH2009 · 15-10-2021 2:43pm

This time next week **** all will be after changing and we'll be debating about how the new date of November 19th will not happen and closer to the date the usual feelers will be out saying 'another delay is coming and we may need to bring in more restrictions with winter coming'

Red Silurian · 15-10-2021 2:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118023926#Comment_118023926

I notice the VFI/LVA are all silent on these matters lately, so much for a national representative body for the nightclubs

bucketybuck · 15-10-2021 2:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118024157#Comment_118024157

And your stalker will be telling us that we are just doom merchants, that there is no indication that things won't reopen on the 19th November as planned...

bear1 · 15-10-2021 2:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118024157#Comment_118024157

This will go on and on and on and on.

Nyero · 15-10-2021 2:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118024152#Comment_118024152

It goes beyond nightclubs though. People will have been reopening coffee shops and increasing staff numbers etc. as office works slowly return.

Now Glynn has kicked that back to wfh again.

So all these lives have been tossed about again.

A lot of retailers are in a similar predicament, people popping into a shoe shop on their lunch break etc., won't be doing it when wfh.

Billgirlylegs · 15-10-2021 2:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118020432#Comment_118020432

Do you have a value for the number of people you describe as "eligible person who refuses a vaccine"?

I suspect it is a tiny, tiny number.

It is none of your business how many people have chosen to take a vaccine, why they choose to do so, or not to do so, as the case may be. It may be surprising that your consideration is therefore not alone uninvited, but pointless.

lawred2 · 15-10-2021 2:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118023617#Comment_118023617

There was no ambiguity.

It's interesting though that you still see no issue with the original statement that inferred that the vaccine bestowed absolute protection.

I won't be responding to you putting words in my mouth and trying to construct narratives that don't exist again.

Parachutes · 15-10-2021 2:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118024180#Comment_118024180

Exactly this. The ‘Things are different this time’ line will be trotted out.

SupplyandDemandZone · 15-10-2021 2:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118024155#Comment_118024155

Ask any nurse that works in a hospital and they will tell you they are all very worried about the coming winter. Children's hospital I know for a fact is in a bad way already and its not even November

Parachutes · 15-10-2021 2:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118024230#Comment_118024230

So I guess the vaccines they sold us would end the pandemic are next to useless.

PTH2009 · 15-10-2021 2:59pm

Numbers not going the way we want them for the 22nd Oct reopening

Plenty of ammunition there for NPHET and the likes to postpone it and that's with a week out from it

Nyero · 15-10-2021 3:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118024230#Comment_118024230

Publicly none of them will admit it but privately they know that the hospital system is always maxed out, throw in another say, 150 in ICU and 800 in general wards from covid and its fcuked next January.

Penfailed · 15-10-2021 3:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118024155#Comment_118024155

I didn't miss the point though. You're making a different point.

Red Silurian · 15-10-2021 3:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118024198#Comment_118024198

Yes but isn't there a huge lack of staff in the hospitality industry at the moment? This gives the cafes of the country more time to hire

Penfailed · 15-10-2021 3:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118024351#Comment_118024351

I usually try to keep a positive spin on things and try to be more optimistic than pessimistic...but that's a step too far for me...

Allinall · 15-10-2021 3:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118024236#Comment_118024236

I got mine for free.

Parachutes · 15-10-2021 3:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118024379#Comment_118024379

You don’t. The government is paying for them from our taxes.

Absolute Zero · 15-10-2021 3:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118024379#Comment_118024379

Pfizer are a lovely bunch giving you free vaccine.

astrofool · 15-10-2021 3:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118024221#Comment_118024221

If you wanted to go there, as a young person and with no known underlying conditions, it would be almost, but not quite, a certainty that if CR had been vaccinated that he wouldn't have missed the match. You're arguing about raind being ambiguous when raind has acknowledged multiple times that there is no absolutes by making your own ambiguous statement and then getting huffy about it.

But now at least it is all unambiguous for all.

(I say this in a thread where just a few posts another person is claiming vaccines don't work, but might be hiding behind sarcasm, or is serious, given the posting history, I'm leaning to the latter but a lot of the anti-vax nutters post misinformation and then hide behind ambiguity or just flat out lie and run away).

Backstreet Moyes · 15-10-2021 3:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118023992#Comment_118023992

But you won't happily go take a vaccine so that is not going to happen.

It is because of anti vaxxers like you that we will likely have no restrictions removed on the 22nd.

Richard Hillman · 15-10-2021 3:50pm

The longer this goes on, by pure work of numbers the most vulnerable will come in contact with the Virus. And those who are not really vulnerable now, they may become vulnerable over the next 6month to a year. Especially with how cancer treatments have been delayed. The vulnerable category is being replenished, probably quicker than the deaths.

If the NPHET Government won't lift restrictions now, we are stuck until March/April. By then if we have case numbers like last year (maybe more) 400-500 a day, if we are lucky. Between 10,000-15000 a month. Keep that going until the Summer, it adds up to near 100,000 cases leading up until next September. The vulnerable category being constantly replenished.

This stuff isn't ending if we continue the attitude towards it. It's war-time. During war you have to accept that people will die, usually the weakest of them all. The war has been lost. We cannot save them. They can be helped with vaccines but the war has been lost.

15-10-2021 3:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118024379#Comment_118024379

LOL

If ever there was a post that highlights the inability to see the wider picture aroud covid issues, including strategies to manage covid, this is the one. You have paid a massive cost for your vaccine, in every way, and the vaccination campaign, and the problem is it is not achieving what it was hoped to achieve.

Speaking personally, I am pro-vaccination. However there needs to be an acceptance that vaccinations have not provided the route back to what would be considered a normal way of life in a democracy, and may never do so. This is disappointing but it is also the reality (sidepoint - it follows that demonising the unvaccinated is unfair, and pointless if not counter-productive. It is impossible to avoid the conclusion that the attempt to target this small group is simply designed to distract from our inadequate health services).

The vaccinations are not magic. They are hugely beneficial and offer a significant but by definition limited degree of protection. We are not going to be able to rely on "vaccinating our way out of this", given the nature of the virus. We are going to have to shoulder more risk, individually and collectively, of becoming infected and sick, and possibly dying, if we want to change the circumstances in which we live.

My perspective is greatly informed by the fact that this infection is not life-threatening for the vast, vast majority of people who get infected. That has to be a central consideration in assessing the proportionality of how we deal with it, especially now with approaching 2 years experience of attempting to control/contain/restrict/lockdown. There is no logic in how we are applying ourselves to this problem, to the detriment of so many other societally damaging illnesses and other consequences, in which I include the economy, because all of what we need as a society has to be paid for somehow.

(sidepoint - I am aware that this is a contagious disease in contrast to many other causes of sickness and death. It is still the case that for the vast, vast majority of people who contract an infection, it will not be life-threatening, even more so with the limited protection which vaccinations give)

Time to get on with it. We have some protection from a good vaccination programme. We have an awareness/understanding of the causes of infection. We have the right to make personal choices regarding the risks which we are willing to take. We need and are entitled to a functional society and this is not what we have at the moment.

Finally, I'm just going to say it, everyone dies of something. You think it won't be you or yours, but it will be one day. There is no way to prevent that, and there is no way to reduce the risk of Covid or anything else to zero or close to zero. Life just does not work that way.

edit: someone said earlier (to another poster) "it's because of anti-vaxxers like you that we can't open up" or something. That's the greatest load of - with all due respect - rubbish. It's not the unvaccinated holding you back. It's yourself and those like you who - alarmingly - can't see what is right in front of your nose.

Quags · 15-10-2021 3:54pm

Putting aside the whole Anti Vaxxers are killing us bullshit, as of yesterday we had basically 88% of Ireland doubled dosed and the talk is that the remaining restrictions cant happen because of high numbers and those pesky anti vaxxers, at what stage do the public just decide that enough is enough

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII Read OP For Mod Warnings