Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Too simplistic, the entire 90% haven't been vaccinated since April. That's why the person above is looking at just September onwards, i.e. A time in which the proportion of vaccinated hasn't changed much

No. It is up to Chris to show his evidence.

Apologies in advance of you were being ironic.

No. Tho onus is on Chris to show his evidence before anyone demands that it be refuted with evidence. You can't argue against someone's belief. Show your evidence and I will refute it.

That interview from MM is a little confusing and practically states no further lifting next Friday

3Arena and the likes won't reopen

Same pub hours as now with late bars/nightclubs not reopening

Don't forget the big cheese Dr Tony returns to the office tomorrow and a repeat of last October can not be ruled out

I've no idea how you've picked that up from that interview, there's absolutely nothing in the Independent or it's interview that gives credence to anything for next Friday.

There's feck all meat on the bones of that article when you compare it to the times or the business post

To encourage the unvaccinated to get vaccinated, I would guess. The unvaccinated are causing the problems in the hospitals and ICU, and that is the big concern for the government / HPHET / HSE coming into winter.

The vaccine has been proven to be ineffective now? Pray tell how did you come to that conclusion? Considering how free and open our society is now by comparison to this time last year and our case numbers we have I'd argue the vaccines are doing their thing

But then I'm not an anti-vaxer

I don’t think people really want Covid certs for admission to premises . Well most don’t im sure some do but it’s better than things not being reopened at all . Not for the unvaccinated I accept but isn’t it better to have things open for 90 percent of people than not having them open at all. At least then only 10 percent of people are left disappointed.I know that’s a selfish way to look at it from a vaccinated persons point of view but after 19 months of this shitshow I’m willing to accept it. It’s divisive I know and not ideal by any means but it beats continued closures

I'm alright Jack is always a good foundation for public policy

The week in politics just starting , Heather Humphries ( might require subtitles) Aodhán Ó Ríordáin, (looking grumpy) & Martin Kenny SF , (Looking perplexed)

I knew that would be said and you have every right to say that because it’s true but the alternative is nothing reopens . It wouldn’t be what I would do at all but it’s clear that’s the only way they will reopen .

I see a lot of figures posted by people showing that if you look at recent months rather than back to April, that deaths are far higher among vaccinated than they are among the unvaccinated. Which makes common sense, the vulnerable are far more likely to have gotten themselves a vaccination than not.

But ok, its a reason at least, the goal is to encourage vaccination.

But is that not a bit of a redundant goal considering the class leading levels of vaccination in Ireland already? And more to the point, is that an important enough goal for the government to renege on its previous promises and show itself to be untrustworthy?

Well it shouldn’t be but it’s fairly apparent that the government will only consider reopening with the certs . The chances they choose to reopen fully with no certs required is practically zero. I don’t agree with that but they are only giving 2 choices here . No reopening or reopening with the certs . It’s **** but I favour the second option over the first option . Ideally I would rather neither but they won’t offer the option that is the ideal scenario

Tony is going to do his grand "look at me" thing again possibly as early as tonight and tomorrow. Don't forget for a second what he did last year, we went from NPHET and Ronan Glynn saying on the Thursday we were doing ok with Level 2+ to full Level 5 lockdown on the Sunday night.

Its up to Micheal Martin to put him back in his box. How likely is that?

You're on a forum for Covid criticising someone watching a general politics program that 100s k watch...