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Marvel Cinematic Universe general stuff

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,967 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I've been rewatching all the Marvel Netflix shows over the last year or so. Just have the last season of Jessica Jones to go. Daredevil and Punisher are still so goddamn great. But I hit a serious lull with Luke Cage and Iron Fist S2. Iron Fist S2 especially I could barely manage the interest to watch an episode a week, whereas Daredevil S3 and Punisher S2 I binged each within a week.

    So the question is if Disney continues the Daredevil series, what about the rest? It's also hard to see how Kingpin can continue with Daredevil given the ending of Season 3; does he stay as Daredevil's antagonist or does he end up being someone else's antagonist?

    I'm more surprised they're not just bringing back the cast but say its a different multiverse version of them, and pick and choose what parts they want to keep.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    There is rumours that Kingpin will appear in


    The Hawkeye series.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Niska


    Potential Spiderman Far From Home spoiler in the form of a Lego set.

    One of the sets is a drone battle, featuring Spidey in his black suit vs the Vulture. It is marked inspired by Far From Home, but I think that's a good chance he is in SFFH.

    https://www.lego.com/en-ie/product/spider-man-s-drone-duel-76195



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,307 ✭✭✭The Phantom Pain


    Firstly, ignoring the obvious straw-man about the general consumer market (at no point did I mention the general consumer market), you know very well that the general consensus amongst those who are aware of the situation, i.e. movie fans and professionals in the industry, was that Disney was in the wrong so stop the revision of the very recent history. I shouldn’t even bother posting any statements because you’re obviously using this as a deflective tactic from the topic at hand but seeing as I’m right I might as well prove it:

    Following this, major Hollywood figures and organizations weighed in, including SAG-AFTRA President Gabrielle Carteris (“Disney should be ashamed of themselves for resorting to tired tactics of gender-shaming and bullying.) Women In Film, ReFrame and Time’s Up also offered a joint statement, while industry insiders questioned if other lawsuits would follow.

    Did you even watch Erin Cummings’ segment (Spartacus, King Richard) in the video breaking it down why it's blatant sexism or did you just listen to the two blokes and call it day? To say it's a, "giant leap" as if this is something we don't already know the industry does is beyond ignorant. Taken from Deadline's report:

    "Disney incurred the wrath of many, including Johansson’s CAA main man Bryan Lourd, for not only telling the world that the actor got paid $20 million upfront for the film, but also tried to make their longtime collaborator look out and out cruel for standing up for herself."

    Disney & Scarlett Johansson Resolve Bitter ‘Black Widow’ Profits Lawsuit; Big $$$ Win For Oscar Nominee

    In the same Deadline report, it's said that Scarlett Johansson got 40 million dollars which, according to John Campea, is 20 million more than what Scarlett Johansson was initially suing for, hence the “pricey” line from Deadline.

    Secondly, whoever is the “bigger star” in this case is completely and utterly irrelevant. Disney had a contract and they violated it. It doesn’t matter, “who the bigger star is”. The contract does not say, "you're not bigger than Dwayne Johnson therefore we get to screw you over as and when we want." Star power matters in terms of how much of the box office receipts an actor or actress gets, yes, but that’s not what Scarlett Johansson’s lawsuit was about. Bringing up “star power” shows you either don’t understand what the contract was or you’re derailing the issue at hand.

    Stick to the facts. Both Dwayne “the Rock” Johnson and Scarlett Johansson’s contract stipulated that they receive a cut of the box office sales which did not include Disney plus premium access. Let me say that again: Both Dwayne “the Rock” Johnson and Scarlett Johansson’s contract stipulated that they receive a cut of the box office sales which did not include Disney plus premium access. As for Emily Blunt, no, it hasn’t been confirmed whether or not Disney renegotiated her contract and that’s the reason why it’s so suspicious. If Blunt had renegotiated her deal you would bet Disney’s PR team would have used that as damage control to ward off the accusations of misogyny they were getting. The fact that they haven’t announced anything of the sort with Emily Blunt means we can at least assume that they didn’t which only proves my point.

    Now, this is where your entire argument completely falls apart:

    “Thirdly and most importantly, Scarlett had an option in her contract to go to arbitration to do exactly what you are asking for and renegotiate the deal. Rather than doing that she chose to take a very legally questionable route and try to go around arbitration and take a swing at big bad Disney in public via a lawsuit “

    I’m highlighting this section of your post because either this is a blatant lie about what Scarlett Johansson did or, again, you don’t actually understand what happened. I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt here so let me break it down: after Disney sent Black Widow to Disney Plus, Scarlett Johansson's legal team DID try to renegotiate the deal with them, which could have included arbitration, but Disney ignored her. Let me say that again: Johansson's team tried to prevent this going to court by reaching out to Disney for a settlement but Disney never even took their calls. In other words, though it may or may not stipulate this in the contract Disney never actually adhered to this when Scarlett Johansson's legal team tried.

    This is how I know you didn’t watch Erin Cummings segment of the video which covers exactly the aforementioned problem with how Disney handled the situation: This wasn’t a case where Disney FIRST tried to reach a private agreement with Scarlett Johansson but her team were not satisfied and then decided to sue; Disney didn’t even discuss it. In response, Scarlett Johansson was then FORCED to sue and Disney retaliated (after dragging her name) by filing for private arbitration (which they likely would have been denied) because they knew very well that if it goes to court everything would be public record – which would have shown that Johansson and her team were right. In other words, Disney was trying to hide the fact that they violated their contract and Johansson’s people knew it. From John Berlinski, Johansson's lawyer:

    "After initially responding to this litigation with a misogynistic attack against Scarlett Johansson, Disney is now, predictably, trying to hide its misconduct in a confidential arbitration," Berlinski said in a statement to ET. "Why is Disney so afraid of litigating this case in public? Because it knows that Marvel’s promises to give Black Widow a typical theatrical release ‘like its other films’ had everything to do with guaranteeing that Disney wouldn’t cannibalize box office receipts in order to boost Disney Plus subscriptions. Yet that is exactly what happened -- and we look forward to presenting the overwhelming evidence that proves it."

    So again, in case it is still not clear: Disney never attempted to renegotiate the deal prior to Johansson filing to sue; they ignored her team when theyr eached out for a settlement which THEN forced Johansson to sue Disney. It’s not "legally questionable", it’s legally sensible.


    You are denying the obvious misogyny because it's a subject matter that, understandably, makes you feel uncomfortable but when misogyny or any form of discrimination is happening we need to call it out. Just denying sexism exists does not foster change. This is a massive win for Scarlett Johansson and sends a powerful message to all women in the industry who were no doubt watching how this case would unfold with baited breath: know your worth and do not settle when you’re blatantly being treated unfairly.

    For anyone who wants a simplified breakdown of Johansson’s recent win I’ve posted John Campea’s coverage of it below (Campea used to work in law and has done many episodes where he breaks down the legalities in the industry):


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Stone Deaf 4evr


    Ok Foggy Nelson.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,370 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I'm sure there will be an essay on the misogyny of this post now :P



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,307 ✭✭✭The Phantom Pain


    It is amusing how some people (mainly guilty men) get triggered by the word, 'misogyny'. Probably the same type who were upset during the marketing for Captain Marvel because she never smiled at them in posters. 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,370 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,307 ✭✭✭The Phantom Pain


    "Tell me that you follow The Quartering on YouTube without telling me you follow The Quartering on YouTube."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,370 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I dont even know what that is but keep it up. Its amusing watching someone wrong keep digging.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,307 ✭✭✭The Phantom Pain




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,370 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    You really have that perma-victim headcanon going strong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,307 ✭✭✭The Phantom Pain




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,303 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Let's take that dirty smear attempt here first, I am one of the first to call out discrimination when I see it - review my posting history if you doubt it. Similarly, I never denied misogyny or sexism exist, I just questioned the incredibly leaps you've taken to get there in this situation. If Disney had a long record of attacking female stars in a different way to male stars who came at them with public lawsuits I would see the trend and agree with your perspective on their response - though many others would need much more evidence than that. What really hurts the drive to eliminate discrimination is when it is thrown about with practically nothing backs it up - like using it in this case. You cry wolf enough, real cases will be ignored - like the issues of pay disparity.

    I didn't strawman anything, you claimed

    'it backfired wildly as people were mostly in her corner'

    For something to 'backfire wildly' on Disney it would have to impact the general consumer market. If you said 'it backfired within 'movie fans and professionals in the industry who already don't think highly of them' then I'd have agreed with you. If you tone down the hyperbole then you wouldnt have to move the goal posts after the fact.

    I really don't understand the point of the quote you've included above - the leader of an actors union is hardly going to be impartial in a case of one of their members. It is like posting a quote from the TUI regarding a teacher's grievance with the department of education.

    The bigger star point is not irrelevant - they literally discussed it in the video you shared. There is no proof that Disney broke their contract with her - every video you've previously shared is just re-reading the words of Scarlett's lawyer's, at least in the videos they unlike you admit that there is a lot they do not know and that Scarlett's lawyers might not be telling the whole truth. In this case you nor I know the differences in the wording of the two contracts, the Rock's might have been much more explicit than hers and there could have been no private arbitration process so Disney being some or all of being more clearly in the wrong, dealing with a bigger star, and no defined process to resolve issues would make them more likely to renegotiate. To get to your claims of misogyny you are ignoring the areas we do not have insight to and then presuming the worst case is true. Your fairytale as to why Blunt's info didn't leak is a prime example of twisting things to fit the narrative you are wishing to be true - if Disney didn't renegotiate with Blunt then why hasn't there been a peep from her camp after the news of the Rock's extra money - when there was leaks galore about their original salaries? I don't know which or either is true, you admitting to assuming the worst is exactly why your overall argument is so weak.

    On my third point, you're now just showing you do not know the details of the case. Scarlett's lawyers purposefully left Marvel off the initial lawsuit because in her Marvel contract it states that issues related to it have to go through private arbitration. Asking to renegotiate a contract and starting a private arbitration process are two completely different things - she had the option to go to arbitration and didn't just not do it, she did everything she could to avoid it. The only reason Disney were able to make a claim to move it to private arbitration was because it was in her Marvel contract.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,370 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,596 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy


    I didn't even think they were supposed to start filming on that until next year.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    That's way closer than I would have expected it to come. I don't hold any particular fandom for the Snipes Blade series (#1 and #2 were great; the third, ehhhh not so much) ... but equally, he has been one of those actors who made the role his own - such that someone else taking it on feels ... wrong by default. Ala Ron Perlman with Hellboy, or Christopher Reeve with Superman.

    Also, given those Blade films were such hard Rs, with the concept lending itself so distinctly to horror, I'm very sceptical how the MCU does justice to that tone and story. Only recently watched the latest high-profile vampire flick in Netflix's Blood Red Sky; and yeah, that level of raspberry jam feels too much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Saying that though.. I'd now accept a Kingpin partnership deal between Vincent D'Onofrio and Ciarán Hinds simply based on the charisma Ciarán Hinds feels like he's bringing to about the 30 seconds he's been allocated in each episode of Kin so far.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,755 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Will venom show up in the new Spider Man or will they wait til the new Doctor Strange ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭FunLover18




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,755 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,715 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • Posts: 8,756 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I would not have seen him in the role. Fantastic actor though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,568 ✭✭✭EoinMcLovin


    I remember him from School of comedy back in the day, he's changed so much




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,967 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Whole big bunch of delays to MCU movies. Almost every movie moves back one film in the previously announced schedule

    • Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness – Delayed from March 25, 2022 to May 6, 2022
    • Thor: Love and Thunder - Delayed from May 6, 2022 to July 8, 2022
    • Black Panther: Wakanda Forever - Delayed from July 8, 2022 to November 11, 2022
    • The Marvels - Delayed from November 11, 2022 to February 17, 2023
    • Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania - Delayed from February 17, 2023 to July 28, 2023
    • Untitled Marvel - Moved forward from November 10, 2023 to November 3, 2023.

    Disney also removed two unannounced Marvel films (dated for July 28, 2023, October 6, 2023) from the schedule entirely.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    What's the reason given? I had presumed Hollywood filming was back to something resembling normal schedules.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Well.. what's coming out round about the same time.. first two google results are:

    So.. it's pretty deserted around that date.

    I doubt Marvel would move em all just to avoid The Batman wave.. it's 3 weeks before Dr. Strange.


    Now.. as best I can gather Dr Strange is supposed to be an event film. Watch Graces reviews and stuff .. she's been banging on about Dr Strange having a bunch of reshoots a lot..

    So.. I wouldn't put it past some big plans for their reshoots and thus knockin out the whole schedule of the rest of the films.


    I dunno after that.. maybe they want the besterest everest chance of having a big cash earning film so moving it even further into reopening season.



    As an aside... looking at May 27th

    Cinema27May2022.jpg

    and all I could think was..

    good-bad-ugly.gif

    😁



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭FunLover18


    Supposedly there's some spoilers for The Eternals going around after the screening last night, be careful folks.



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