Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Lol the thread is gas. So we’re going from stadiums being full along with nightclubs opening to a lockdown . Which is it lads? I think MM said yesterday we won’t be going backwards at least.

Those two issues go hand-in-hand really, and it's why the UK has been such a perfidious beast when it comes to covid. The British media's failure to act independently in any sense has led to lax attitudes about covid throughout this pandemic, and the sky-high numbers that have beset the country.

The government literally announced that they are not needed for outdoor events or sporting events:

• COVID-19 passes and fixed capacity limits will not apply for outdoor events. gov.ie - Public health measures that will come into place on Friday 22 October (www.gov.ie)

We've had a fair few days like that so it's no great shock.

The resolution to this is very straight forward & obvious for a year not but the movement won't act.,

Take all the government money we plan to plough into projects we don't "NEED" for the next two years and simply use it to make more ICU beds available & the have man power to run them

Once we do that we can then open up society fully & get everyone back living normal life's , with the boost to the economy it'll pay for its self and then in 2 years you can get back working on all the other vanity projects

We're paying the price for a **** health service.. and there's no political will from any party to fix it. Fúcked.

I can somewhat understand the logic there. Office workers can keep working from home. Nightclub workers can't.

Some reports are suggesting indoor events will need to be seated, and if that's accurate that's where things stop making sense to me. Why have a nightclub open with dancing but no standing gigs?

This is very much a case of the government trying to demonstrate that they have opened things up and that the plan to include nightclubs and remove limits on activities has happened. The trouble is there are all manner of weird hoops to jump through for this to be true.

Interesting. @seamus whereabouts was the guidelines bit pointed out/who pointed it out? (Want to find out more) - thanks!

It was someone on Twitter, but here anyway;

https://www.thejournal.ie/nightclubs-restrictions-latest-ireland-announcement-5578399-Oct2021/

Yes thank I can . But I can also see the difference between a work place and a night club . Can you ?

Can someone summarise what we CAN'T do? I want to know what I'm missing :)

Your post is based on assumptions which are inaccurate , as others here have and is par for the course with the boards " experts " .

Asymptomatic / presymtomatic spread is one of the main drivers of the spread of this virus . It is why it is so difficult to contain. And why INMO is calling for increased regular testing of healthcare workers , which you would imagine would be a given in a pandemic , wouldn't you ? And boosters for healthcare workers also .

That tweet from that ridiculously inaccurate Conor Riocht is pure spam and does not even understand the basics of testing patients in hospital .

Yes , there have been some well documented outbreaks in some hospitals around the country but it is not because there is no separation of Covid from general patients , but largely patients being admitted for elective reasons totally unaware that they have been exposed in the community. This testing in house ensures safety , but unfortunately some slip through the net , and nurses live in the community and are mixing as we have been told we are allowed to do the same as everyone else

I believe there was ONE outbreak that related to sharing a hospital staff room for meals , among porters in ONE hospital in the last 20months .

Incubation periods are 5 to 14 days , for a reason , because infection / symptoms can start at any time between those dates , and in fact may in some rare cases go to 21 days . People can be infectious from 2 days after contracting the virus but may never show symptoms .

R number ( r0 is when no vaccine or mitigation is employed ) is known to be higher among healthcare workers looking after Covid patients than standard community levels , even with mitigating PPE , for the obvious reason that they are dealing with higher viral loads and more aerosol producing procedures .

The take out here is that you and other posters are trying to blame staff in overcrowded hospitals for infections in the middle of a surge of infections in the community .