Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Well this is progress at least. There was a time here if you argued had we a better healthcare system with more capacity then we wouldn’t need such strict restrictions to protect it, you would be labelled a sociopath and told the sole goal was reducing serious illness and death for individuals. That our decision makers were looking out for the health of each and every one of us individually.

At least it’s clear now that the majority of the restrictions are/were in place to prevent hospital capacity reaching critical levels, and not too many s**ts are given for the sick and dying at a personal level. Stay home, wash your hands, distance yourself and save lives is quite different to Stay home, wash your hands, distance yourself to save our pathetic healthcare system.

And laying that at the door of the unvaccinated is just buying into the narrative.

We have only been able to ease restricitons and open up nearly all of society now thanks to vaccination and those who have been vaccinated in large numbers. In absolutely no thanks to the unvaccinated. What's all the crying about and defending the unvaccinated? If you don't pay taxes you don't avail of the benefits and protections of a state. So why would the unvaxxed expect to participate in society during a pandemic when they've refused to be apart of the solution?

For every sensible post (critical or otherwise of current policies - and plenty scope for both, especially today) there are 5 polemics from posters incapable of even seeing what the alternative viewpoint is. Makes it very hard to stick with this thread tbh.

The figures confirmed this evening are frightening.

Highest since last Jan.

and this is BEFORE we open up nightclubs

I suspect that they “allowed” clubs to reopen Friday for political reasons.

“ah sure we tried...”

I would hope that sense prevails next week and clubs/gigs restricted

i struggle to think of a worse covid transmission space than Irish nightclubs

For myself, its because blaming the unvaccinated for the current status doesn't make full logical sense.

I'm vaccinated, I believe vaccines work and help the situation. I think people should just get them.

But we are well past the levels needed for herd immunity, we have 92%+ vaccinated and a lot of the remaining 8% are people who had the virus already or who had at least one dose. It includes pregnant women and a lot of vulnerable people who won't be mixing much in society anyway. And it includes a lot of perfectly healthy people that frankly aren't at risk from the virus.

Look past the headlines and it becomes pretty clear that the unvaccinated minority are not really the problem and as such targeting them can't be the solution. And that means they are being used as a scapegoat for more insidious reasons.

And that doesn't sit well with me.

some people are easy frightened........

A different universe indeed. 223 Covid deaths today! Theres a price to pay.

As a unvaccinated citizen I have availed of everything this year I’ve been to pubs/restaurants numerous times, overseas football games and a foreign sun holiday.

I will be going away for a couple of days break soon down the country and another one planned for the end of year all the while unvaccinated eating and drinking with my vaccinated fellow citizens, follow the science.

They can keep the pass forever, it won’t make a difference to my life it’s back to 2019 for me.

Substitute Healthy for Asymptomatic........👨‍🔬

Very well put and its really quite extraordinary that all the experts have by way of explanation (blame) is absurdly claiming a very small percentage of the population at fault. Not once have I heard mention from experts about the large percentage of this cohort that can't be vacinated and never will. I know a few and they are absolutely cautious and act completely responsibly, not just for the sake of their health but others. I personally believe there's at least 100k people in Ireland that can not be vacinated and on top of that many children won't be.

I'm absolutely pro vaccine, got my 2 doses and in a very high risk category, likely needing a booster which I'll accept when offered.

I agree. Most people won't notice much of a difference the day after the 22nd. Masks still in retail and on public transport. Certs still needed to get into the pub.

I completely agree and it's despicable particularly when most people with common sense know exactly what the problems are