2021-22 UEFA Champions League

If Firmino and Greizmann's roles were reversed, I'd doubt we'd hear any arguments somehow.

Griezmann's incident was a red all day long. Not meaning it is irrelevant when you raise your foot that high, and has been for years. Nani was sent off for MUFC against Real Madrid years ago for something similar.

Still don't believe the Atletico penalty was a clear and obvious error though. Giminez was hoping Jota would do something stupid, but Jota did do something stupid, he did lean into him. The very fact that we have people still debating whether it was a penalty or not indicates to me that that it's not a clear and obvious error.

Of course he is, its perfectly acceptable to stud another player in the face when your foot 6 ft off the ground as long as you say you didnt see him,

There's no duty on you to know if someones face is there before you take flight Daniel LaRusso style with your studs up

Are you arguing it wasn't a red for a studs up boo to the head? Remember the rule is all about endangering an opponent.

Firmino moves his head towards the ball. We have those incidents numerous times during a game. It's not like Griezmann went for a flying kung fu kick the way a previous lad suggested. He's trying to pluck the ball out of the air and Firmino moves into his way. It was an unfortunate coming together. Yellow would have been reasonable.

Griezmanns foot is at his own shoulder height. Sorry, but you're way off on this, way off. Nobodies saying it's deliberate, it isn't. But that's not the rule, he's endangering an opponent having his foot up and studs showing at that height, it's very simple.

How don't people get this? We know it wasn't deliberate by Griezmann. It was an accident. But players have a duty of care to others on the field. You can't assume and swing a leg at shoulder height, regardless. If he had clattered his own player, who wasn't far off from stud marks on his face, it's still a red card all day long by the laws of the game. In any other walk of life, you wouldn't get away with the defence "I didn't know they were there". Might be a mitigating factor, but not in football, and it's well known.

I actually support Liverpool because of the Whelan's , Ronnie Senior although older was a good mate of my Da's ,

He would be around in the house & that every so often, In the summer of 88 he called around with Ronnie himself which to my older bothera was the best day ever & the day i became a fan ,

Anyway the point of my story is Ronnie became bitter to Liverpool because in the summer of 94 , he was 33 at the end of his contract, Liverpool (Evans) offered him a 1 year extension to his deal & Ronnie felt he was due at least 2 years after everything he had done for the club over the past 15 years & said no he wouldn't sigh he wanted 2 years,

Anyway he took a week to think it over & went back into training and told Evans he would accept the deal as he wanted to stay and see his days out at Liverpool ,Evans said ye no problem i'll tell the board ,So the next morning at training Evan came over to Ronnie and told him the deal had been withdrawn they no longer wanted him, That was the end of his 15 years at Liverpool ,

He took it very very badly and never really forgave the club , That where the bitterness comes from

Jesus, just seen that Griezmann red. Can't have any doubt about it. Whether he saw him or not, it's reckless play putting your foot that high in a crowd of players.

Shawn Michaels would have been proud of that sweet chin music!

Whelan is awful. He ruins games. He is extremely bitter towards Liverpool I find. Weird when they gave him his career. Always finds negatives and nothing else. I'll never forget the night that they qualified for the CL final and he was slating them all game and afterwards.

That's not specific to Liverpool. He's the same when he commentates Irish games.

Luuk de Jong looks like he won a competition to play for Barcelona. Shocking footballer.

They have gone from Messi, Suarez and Griezmann to de Jong, Memphis and Dest in just 2 years.

The Man U players learning a lot from Ronnie being there, Just stroll around and don't press and let your teammates do all the work for you.

Like a hot knife through butter.

Never offside.

United are overdoing it now. Don't want them to lose here and risk putting Ole under more pressure. A nice dull draw with do - got to keep him at the wheel.

Oh dear.

My man Demiral with a big header.

Calm down Atalanta, we don't want Ole sacked.

Lol Ronnie to.come out as manager at half time at this rate.