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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Lol. Why is it "Strange"?

    What do you mean when you say:

    Have you noticed that there's a lot more reports of children getting sick recently? Strange that last of the unvaccinated are suddenly getting more impacted by the virus that harmed almost nobody in that age bracket before.

    What are you suggesting here? Again please be specific and stop hiding behind implication and innuendo. It doesn't help you look clever, it only makes you look dishonest.



  • Registered Users Posts: 216 ✭✭ohnohedidnt


    So those minister that award multimillion pound contracts to friends. Would you say their moral compass also allows them to accept millions from say a corporation? These things go all the way up the chain. US congressmen are insider trading left right and center, which is essentially bribing themselves to act in their own interests. If they had shares in defense contractors, would you trust them to not attack another country? Corruption goes all the way from top to bottom. These Global plots as you call them often have the exact same motivation as the ministers giving contracts to friends and family, all that changes is the scale.

    The people who benefit most from Covid are the worlds most powerful people and companies. Facebook, Amazon, Pfizer, Netflix,.....how eager would you think they are to give up the golden goose? And it is possible there's any corruption involving those companies?



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    But the possibility of being corrupt does not equate to them being involved in a giant global communist plot.

    No one here is arguing that companies and governments are unwilling to be involved in criminal and immoral activities.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,094 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Absolutely, ministers will take bribes to do something that isn't necessarily in the best interests of the people.


    But who is the mega Corp which is bribing ministers and scientists worldwide into doing these things to bring about worldwide socialism, but at the same time remaining totally hidden. And what is the benefit to this mega Corp once they have implemented worldwide socialism?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 216 ✭✭ohnohedidnt


    Companies obviously don't want communism, but some want the "Great Reset". In all seriousness, don't just dismiss the great reset as a conspiracy theory, it's a real thing, you can read the proposals on the WEF website, now it may not be what some people make it out to be, but it's a bit of a shady power grab by corporations.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,094 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    What was the conspiracy here? Did someone direct the reporter to inflate the numbers and for what purpose?

    It was also easily found to be false. So most likely answer being that a reporter writes scary headlines because they sell better, rather than any international plot to change all world governments around somehow.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,094 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Nope.


    Even without looking into them too deeply, you may have missed a subsequent post from the same user just a little while ago stating that they had just made up all those points and wasn't actually proposing any of them as genuine... Just wild theories.


    So why do you believe the claims that the person who wrote them doesn't themselves believe?



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    And example of what? You didn't answer my question. You are hiding behing vague implications because you know that stating your point out loud will reveal how ridiculous it is.

    Try again. What are you claiming?

    Sorry, but your interpretation of it is a conspiracy theory.

    Have you read the book?


    Also, still waiting for you to outline who is involved in the conspiracy. Are you not able to do this?

    And also, I'd like you to withdraw your comment that I asked people and you specifically for proof. This was a lie on your part as demonstrated by the fact you can't show an example of this.


    All of your dodging and deflecting is a bit tedious, but it's illustrating nicely how dishonest conspiracy theories are.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 216 ✭✭ohnohedidnt


    Sorry, the bribery theory wasn't related to socialism. I was talking about the Great reset theory. It's a power grab by corporations, which they've been pushing for, for a long time and soon as Covid hit they they were right out the gates saying it's a good opportunity to implement it. Its just a theory or course, They don't keep me posted on the inner workings

    Don't be surprised if you never hear from me again after posting this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭King Mob




  • Registered Users Posts: 17,960 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    The WEF has been around for years, it's an economic forum, I've rarely seen it discussed until conspiracy theorists suddenly latched onto it last year. It's their new theory-crafting play toy and as with anything, they'll get bored of it after awhile. Before that it was Soros and "false flags".

    Likewise, you are making up a narrative, and then retroactively working back to it with cherry-picked arbitrary examples, the same ones other posters have used to claim that the "Fascists" are taking over, or NWO, or whatever.

    Paranoid individuals on this forum, almost to a tee, believe that their local politicians wake up in the morning utterly obsessed with "controlling" and "tracking" them, and secretly harboring tyrannical impulses. It's a symptom of those individuals paranoia, not reality. Covid is just fuel on the fire, masks are "muzzles" (yes really, we've had pages of it in here), passport checks are suddenly "papers please", yadda, yadda

    As many have pointed out it's all "make-your-own-adventure" fictional writing, look at your ridiculous leaps, e.g. decades ago certain doctors were influenced by companies -- giant fantasy link -- "now we have doctors making all the economic decisions" Lol. Then a generous sprinkling of appeal to motive fallacy.

    I mentioned earlier in the thread, I believe that as you are challenged on this stuff, you'll drop the "haha it's just a conspiracy theory" facade, and it will start to cement. I suspect you'll start to more rigorously believing this stuff, moreso if you pick up the usual validators here (they'll agree with anything conspiracy sounding). We'll see.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,960 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Right, but again look at all your approach, it's all innuendo and tenuous links

    It's easy to do, e.g. mask-making companies made billions from this pandemic, some of which are corporations, you think they want to give that up easily? It's not a genuine question, it's a thinly veiled accusation based on appeal to motive. See how that works.

    These are classic techniques used by people like Alex Jones who have nothing concrete say and everything to insinuate.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    And grifters like Alex Jones have made a mint spreading the exact same crap we're having repeated back to us on this thread. (And about every other previous emergency as well as this one.)

    Do conspiracy theorists think that he and his ilk will give up their cash cow so easily?

    Are Jones et al not willing to be corrupt?



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,425 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    It was the Bildeburg group, then Bohemian Grove and now it is the WEF. Some people need a bogeyman in their lives.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,094 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    We have a great example of how conspiracies are created and spread just in the last couple of pages. One user posts a bunch of ideas that they don't believe themselves, but just as examples of mad ideas... Then another user comes along and says that they believe those ideas are true and likely now will start arguing in support of ideas that the other poster just made up.


    The only thing missing is poster one figuring out how to monetise their ideas and extract money from poster two... But otherwise that is exactly what is happening with the various conspiracy theory websites.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,960 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    And just to pre-empt the usual. The typical next go-to is "but the past, there were conspiracies, Operation Northwoods, Tonkien, MKUltra, etc".

    Conspiracies do happen on a regular basis, only have to switch on the news, but we just rarely see them discussed on this forum. This is for the more fantasy, far-fetched stuff like "Covid is not real at all" (yup, we've had a few of these so far) all the way to "Covid is real but it's a ruse for X, Y or Z".



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    My fav is when they rell off a list of "real conspiracy theories" they always sneak in a wild one as if it's true.

    "Operation Northwoods, Tonkien, MKULTRA, fake moon landings..."



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I actually misread your question. I read 'do you think any of those things are happening'. I missed the 'what's happening'.


    But robinph, it's not even a conspiracy theory. Christina Figueres said the following back in 2015:


    "This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model, for the first time in human history."


    Note the word 'intentionally'. When she says 'we' I presume she is talking about the UN.


    Klaus Schwab says we need entirely new foundations for our economic and social systems. How can you have new foundations if the old ones still exist?


    Why was it 'new normal' and not 'temporary normal' or something like that? When you buy a new washing machine you replace the old one. It's not that you are temporarily using the new one before going back to using the old one. The 'new normal' replaces 'normal' (sometimes called 'old normal').


    So instead of arguing over whether or not it's a conspiracy theory we should be debating and discussing what the new economic model will look like and what the entirely new foundations will look like.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,484 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    We could mean her and Mickey Mouse. You can’t make assumptions to suit your CT.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    But again Gortanna, your interpretation which is flawed, biased and ignorant, is a conspiracy theory.

    Have you read the book yet? I wager you still haven't because you know there's nothing in it that supports your conspiracy theory.

    You prefer to read Alex Jones, a proven charlatan, because he supports your preferred worldview.

    How'd that go by the way? Did you read up on his claims and accept them like you've done with everything else?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    In relation to the Schwab book, I did glance through a few chapters and it's neither a manifesto or a plan. It's basically an academic piece of futurology in terms of where he thinks things may go. On top of that, he questions moral implications around certain potential aspects iirc. He doesn't conclude that they will necessarily be positive for society. It pretty much reads like a college dissertation on a subject. The quotes you find on the conspiracy sites invariably omit context to make it sound nefarious.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,960 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Conspiracy theorists have decided this innocuous individual is suddenly all powerful, few seem to have read the book, and those that have are hard at work trying to spin and distort it to make it sound like some dystopian blueprint, rather than someone's thoughts on the future

    Likewise some Danish MP wrote a blog speculating about the future, and again the conspiracy theorists went nuts over it, deciding it was some blueprint for the future

    The usual pattern.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 216 ✭✭ohnohedidnt


    Who said anything about the individual? It doesn't matter who wrote the book, or frankly even what exactly book says. Idea's like that morph and get manipulated over time. What's worrying is not what's in the book, its what grows from that idea. Karl Marx didn't cause Socialism single handedly, it just takes somebody to spawn and promote an idea others take it from there, and socialism didn't go well despite the best of intentions.

    Schwab attends and promotes his idea and the WEF in Davos, with the most powerful people in the world in attendance, they work with UN and IMF. That's not an individual, and its not just abstract vison of the future he has, the WEF are literally saying implement the great reset now!

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/now-is-the-time-for-a-great-reset/

    Corporations influence Governments everyday, if you don't think that's fact you have your head in the sand. They don't spend billions lobbying for the fun of it. So the question is what are the lobbying for, and who's interests does that serve? Obviously their own. As usual you and others are completely dismissing the theory as just conspiracy BS, when the reality is it's least partly true. The WEF who have the ear of the UN and IMF, along with major corporations are promoting a new economic system and trying to use Covid to force it through, they're just facts, even the WEF won't dispute that. The question is, to what end are they trying to reshape the economy.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,094 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    I'm confused now. Are you now retracting your belief that any of the items posted earlier are actually happening?



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    You tell us. We're still waiting for you to explain who you are theorising is involved in the conspiracy.

    You were previously suggesting that all government were in on it. Now you're suggesting those behind the conspiracy only "have the ear of the UN."

    Which is it? Who is involved?


    Why do you believe the WEF is trying to reshape the economy?


    You keep asking these vague questions as if the answer is sinister. But again, I don't think you can supply one because your conspiracy theory is only surface level.


    Also, have you read the book? Again I'm thinking you like most other conspiracy theorists haven't.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,960 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Have you read the book?

    Your posts are full of gross simplifications and generalisations, leading questions and appeals to motive. Conspiracy theorists use vague insinuations to project vague conspiracies - vague for a reason.

    This theory of yours, let's get down to some specifics, is it happening in e.g. Denmark, yes or no? If yes, what are the details

    If you can't be specific, what's the difference between you and conspiracy pundits who use identical techniques to infer all sorts of things depending on what time of the day it is

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Of course that's what you choose to focus on instead of 'intentionally transforming the economic development model' and 'building entirely new foundations' for the global economy.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Dohnjoe, can you point to one instance of NPHET or the government saying that life in Ireland will go back to normal? Not 'a degree of normality' or a 'return to a new normal', but 'normal'.



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