Vaccine Megathread No 2 - Read OP before posting

Why are the statistics for vaccination not being given at weekends anymore?

The vaccination statistics were not shown on the news yesterday.

So who agrees with Israel's approach of disabling their Covid Cert to force their population to take booster shots? They did this for all adults and some under 18's also. Any person who had already taken two shots was counted as 'unvaccinated' and denied entry to bars, restaurants and elsewhere until they got their boosters. A vaccine so good, it needs to be boosted for a third time a mere few weeks after a second dose. I'm fully vaccinated btw but I did not sign up for repetitive doses over and over again or I'd be excluded from society.

Children live in a society like the rest of us. If we can reduce the spread of the virus, we reduce the number of people that end up in hospital and the sooner we can all get back to life as normal.

Let's wait and see what the experts say, but at the moment there doesn't seem to be any evidence to say that children who take the vaccine are at risk.

200+ children have died in the US alone from covid.

What are these very real risks versus these deaths?

Can you explain what issues you think would be discovered in a 22000 trial v a 2200 trial? Given kids are dying from covid how long should these trials wait to signup that number and run for how long should they run for?

Why do I have the feeling you would be horrified by the thoughts of 30000 kids being involved in the trial of an UNTESTED vaccine?

Imagine they put it into 2268 young kids IN A TRIAL? They are experimenting with kids!

2000 is a large number for a clinical trial.

How many kids do you think any of the usual kids medicines were trialled on?

Wouldnt it be an absolute disgrace to delay a life saving safe vaccine that has passed clinical trials and could used on vulnerable children?

I’m fully vaccinated & of course I agree with well researched childhood vaccines that took years to develop. My point is what’s happening in relation to Covid and around vaccination status. Vaccine certs and their use domestically in particular - it’s one thing to introduce this on a temporary basis while a mass vaccination campaign was under way. Absolutely reasonable to expose everyone to Covid spike protein via a vaccination programme to generate an immune response & provide future protection.

But disabling certs which Israel are doing & forcing yet more of the same on people - this crossed a very big red line for me. Firstly antibodies wane, but memory cells don’t. No younger healthy people should need one of these boosters or be barred from premises here for not having it.

What makes you think this isn’t going to happen in Ireland? Israel was ahead of others rolling out first & second doses. Ireland has run a very pointed ‘unvaccinated are a plague to society’ campaign last week - despite 92% of adults getting their jabs. I think this is just an excuse for their poor management of Covid in general & also a good excuse to keep the certs - which will almost certainly be extended beyond Jan 9th.

200 in a population of 330 million is 0.0000006%

“Kids are dying from covid” Would you stop

If that was 200 in that age group , imagine the outcry if it was an equivalent number in the 30 to 44 year olds dying from an adverse vaccine event ?!

The **** show continues …absolutely disgusted with this stuttering mixed message etc etc govt ….by no means anti vax but totally unfair how the govt are going after the 7/8% of people who for one reason or other remain unvaccinated ….22/10 should of been the day we finally started to live with this instead we push ahead with nothing shy of a **** show and contradictory opening of nightclubs etc with a set of unrelastic guidelines …..the govt have ran a very successful vacine rollout programme but that’s it …..our health service is shambolic and nothing has been done to make meaningfull improvements in last 20 months

mass antigen testing should be rolled out (should of been done months ago )huge amounts of vaccinated people are getting and spreading this …they may not be getting as sick or ending up in hospital but a lot do …..the vaccine is not very effective against the spread of Covid so our numbers are always going to be high and this craic of getting boosters every 5/6 months ….fook that …who knows the long term side effects ?????there may be none ….but we don’t know

Crude CFR estimates by age and vax status, from a UK Sky journo.

That alone still wouldn't explain why unvaxxed 80+ are 3.5 times more likely to die, and why unvaxxed 50-59 are 20 times more likely to die. If it was a case of gaps in care or overwhelmed hospital systems, there would be little difference in the CFR for vaxxed and unvaxxed.

There is probably a certain amount of skewing, in that individuals who cannot get vaccinated are probably more likely to have serious illnesses that leave them in a higher risk category. But this cohort is statistically very small, not enough to skew the data this much.

Do you think a trial of 2,000 children is enough to attempt to justify vaccinating children who are largely unaffected severely by Covid 19?

Have you seen any risk v benefit data of the vaccine in this age group? The numbers aren’t pretty.

Is there any hope of the third dose being offered to all of group four? A family member is a severe asthmatic and was in that group during the initital rollout and is quite anxious.

There are so many developmental & growth factors to take into consideration with children’s bodies. My personal opinion is this trial data is disappointingly small for a phase 3 trial on younger children.