All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

That's not an explanation of why the statement "a disproportionate amount are unvaccinated" is meaningless!

If unvaccinated are admitted to hospital at 5 times the rate of vaccinated, and admitted to ICU at 9 times the rate of vaccinated, then that statement is correct.

You seem to be unable to explain why you said it was meaningless, unless you were just saying stuff without thinking, or without worrying about whether it was true or not!

It is an explanation. The proportions given now are only a snapshot at a time where the case numbers are not problematic. The only reason it's plastered all over the headlines is because the government/nphet/niac etc. are using it as a beating stick for those who are unvaccinated.

The proportions next week, next month, next year, in all likelihood will be completely different and frankly meaningless when the ICU bed situation can't even handle the annual flu, let alone covid patients.

This is why I focus on them being from and/or living in the US. We saw it during the gay marriage and abortion referendums - outside influences trying to sway the voters - videos of foreigners tearing down 'no' signs. What we are seeing in this forum is no different - an outside influence trying to control what we can or cannot talk about.

Exactly. Working from home is something that should have been a lot more normal a long time ago, long before COVID. It's a pity it took a pandemic to make work practices finally catch up with the technology. Just because a measure is COVID-related doesn't mean it's (a) a bad thing, or (b) an indicator of a The Big Conspiracy™. Hospital and GP visits have become a lot more efficient since COVID arrived - you actually are seen much closer to your appointment time and there's much less hanging around in waiting rooms. I sure hope that becomes part of the dreaded "New Normal" too.

Edit: Regarding the "hated" mask-wearing. I do expect that to become part of the new normal - just like it has been in the Far East since long before COVID. Normal not in the sense that everyone is wearing them or is required to, but that it's considered good manners to wear one if you're carrying a dose of something and would rather not infect others. Ditto staying away from work if you've got something.

If you can't see that the proportions at a snap shot in time are indicative of what one can expect at other times then you don't understand how basic reasoning and logic works. If the situation gets twice as bad, as could happen in the coming months, would you expect the unvaccinated to somehow stop catching the virus, and to stop making up a disproportionate percentage of hospital admissions?

If you look at public health Scotland's recent report. in the 4 weeks to 18th Sept a total of 510 unvaccinated were admitted to hospital with acute Covid, and 521 vaccinated were admitted with acute Covid. How does that work, when only a small percentage of people are unvaccinated yet make up equal numbers of acute admissions?

Saying these numbers are being thrown around to beat the unvaccinated might be your way of looking at it. However there are two good reasons why the numbers deserve to be highlighted, a) to help unvaccinated understand the risks and encourage them to help themselves, and b) to help minimise hospital admissions if it persuades some of them to get vaccinated.

(and, by the way, I'm Irish, and living in Ireland !!! despite quoting public health Scotland !!!)

He thinks NASA faked the space race and that Newton got his physics wrong. Yeah, THAT Newton.

So yet again making idiotic baseless claims without a shred of evidence, seems to be your go to place at this stage 🤣

He has evidence.

Someone used the word "dude".

Everyone knows that only Americans would use such uncouth language.

I dread to think how many friends/family these people have alienated with these types of extreme views.

The fact that someone has to be evasive about their view and dodge scrutiny from the get-go shows they know it's ultimately not true

Imagine that, going to a public discussion forum, with something you know is a lie, projecting it, then basically having meltdowns and claiming everyone is a out to get you for pointing out it's not true, then soapboxing and lecturing others about the "truth". Then trying to change the discussion forum so no one can question what you know is a lie. It's equal parts hilarious and disturbing

Foiled!!!

Nahhhh I did say Cheshire, England so he wouldn't get too confused 🤣