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Colleagues' Girlfriend Refused Entry at Airport

  • 13-10-2021 11:21am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭


    Hi All

    Apologies if this is not the appropriate section for this

    My colleague's GF was flying in from Argentina this week.

    They were both super careful they had all documentation etc in place. They had even consulted with a lawyer for all the requirements she needed to have to enter the country as a tourist and he even made the extra step of making an invitation letter explaining where she would be staying and for how long because one can never be too cautious nowadays. Two way tickets, all fine.

    It seems she was nervous and during the queue she stepped out of a red line people are not supposed to cross, and she was instantly called out by a female officer that told her how lacking of respect she was of European law. After that she was questioned regarding the reason for her travelling, she explained the truth, something that seems these officers did not seem to like. It seems that having all paperwork well done, a return date and plane ticket and an explanation letter was not good enough for them, she was not accepted as a tourist.

    THEN....She was accused of trying to import drugs into the country. They reviewed every single thing in her luggage, they took her phone and reviewed her chats with my colleague, and made her give a urine test and she was searched.

    Despite them finding nothing, they actually went ahead and deported her.......

    My colleague began to worry about her as he had not heard from her in a while so he was ringing the airport, immigration and airport police said they were not holding anyone for any reason, but then later a Garda called and confirmed with Immigration that she had been sent back.

    The Argentinian Consulate has already been alerted of this and knows the details, and they will be open an investigation. They told my colleague however, that nothing could be done right now, that it was better for her to come back to her country because the decision had been made. So all they can do is try to investigate what went on.

    Does anyone here have any explanations as to why this could happen, and who he can contact to raise the issue? It sounds like a frightening experience for anyone to go through.

    Regards

    HB



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Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭dudley72


    From reading, and of course it is one sided it would suggest they didn't believe she would return home after her visa.

    I would expect they gave her a reason why they wouldn't let her enter?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭hamsterboy


    I will try find out from him what the exact reason they gave her was...will update if and when I get it. Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,817 ✭✭✭Addle


    Is she telling your colleague the truth?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 822 ✭✭✭CreadanLady


    My guess is that from their point of view they saw an Irish boyfriend was "importing" his Argentine girlfriend and that there was a risk of her intentionally overstaying. With carefully prepared paperwork and a waving around a return ticket they might have got the impression she was trying too hard to proove her intent to return home and though it was bogus.

    So what is the actual intent? Does she genuinely intend to return home after her stay, or is she trying to stay but just bluffing with the return ticket?

    The MFV Creadan Lady is a mussel dredger from Dunmore East.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,433 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Does she have some history that your colleague doesn't know about?

    Why was she nervous? Surely if all the paperwork is in order, there would be nothing to be nervous about.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,749 ✭✭✭LillySV


    I’d say no smoke without fire… so is it quality stuff she had ?? :)



  • Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Good chance rejected visa application to other european country or overstaying previously somewhere else



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,506 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Had your friend met her before in person?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭davo2001


    I wonder what really happened!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,261 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Not exactly what was described above, I would be fairly certain.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,620 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    Consulting a lawyer for a holiday seems very OTT if she was genuine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭silver2020


    She was not accused of having drugs - cut that BS out.

    Her story did not add up and does not add up.

    Flying in on tourist visa to visit boyfriend and making sure all paperwork "added up". I read that as flying in to move in with boyfriend and work illegally.


    "Called out by a female officer for lacing respect for european law" - More rubbish. Even the wording tells you this is rubbish.


    She was nervous, looked suspicious, most likely was going to over stay, did herself no favours, got caught and refused entry. She was not deported - she was refused entry.


    So much BS from her that is obviously BS, I'm surprised you wasted your time on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭hamsterboy


    Thanks for all the comments guys.

    I'm only going on what I was told and have no reason to doubt what the guy is saying.

    Just tried to help out, unlike most of the comments here.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,634 ✭✭✭Aint Eazy Being Cheezy


    There’s holes in that story for definite. I’ve been in that exact situation you described, as the waiting bf! We didn’t have an invitation letter, not that it should’ve had any affect either way. But in my case, an immigration officer just decided they wanted to ask her some more in-depth questions.

    The officer was a bit abrupt with her and tried to poke holes in her story, then they phoned me and got my version of events, and then she was let into this country.

    I was told she was being detained for questioning, and also asked questions myself. I knew what was going on all along. Your colleague or his gf is leaving out something somewhere. She’d have been given a written reason for refusal for starters.



  • Posts: 864 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There's no entitlement to enter Ireland unless you're an EU citizen, so if INIS / GNIB don't like you, you get deported. Sinn a bhfuil.



  • Posts: 11,614 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It only takes a couple of questions to make border guards suspicious.

    Have you a job back in Argentina? Not at the moment..

    What things are you looking forward to seeing in Ireland? My boyfriend and ...

    Why did you step out of the line? Because I got nervous.

    Why were you nervous? I don't know...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 303 ✭✭.42.


    Shes lying about the Urine Test for starters



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭tdf7187


    I also don't believe for a second that a customs officer in an Irish airport told her to 'respect European law' if she accidentally stepped a few cms onto a red line she wasn't supposed to cross.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭silver2020


    You don't get deported, you are refused entry and returned to the point of embarkation.

    If a flight was not available for another few days, you would be "arrested" and brought to a holding cell until the flight became available. At no time have you officially entered Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    The OP didn't say that the colleague was Irish.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,958 ✭✭✭endofrainbow


    It wouldn't have been a customs officer, Immigration perhaps.


    Not that I believe a word of this story anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,254 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    No, it's not semantics; it makes a difference. If you're deported it's for a specified reason, and there's a record, and it mean that any future applications will be scrutinised carefully, etc, etc. It's a big deal. Whereas if you're denied entry you can just rock up again the next day or the next week or present yourself at a different port of entry, and try again, using the same visa and supporting documentation, etc.



  • Posts: 864 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yes it is semantics, for the purposes of this exercise. The end result is the same, you unexpectedly end up where you started.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭dudley72


    I think we all agree the story doesn't hold up. If you do go to legal they will tell you the same.

    It is one sided of course and this lady is not going to tell the truth, especially if the BF had paid for the flights etc to get her over here.

    Even reading the story it would put red lights to me, BF in Ireland, from Argentina. What is to stop her just staying here long term and not going home? she will have a house etc with the BF



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,254 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    I've already pointed out how the end result is different in a that is very important if the OP's friend's girlfriend still hopes to come to Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭XsApollo


    Same thing myself, questioned her and then rang myself who was waiting outside, told the officer where she was staying and for how long and all was good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭Staplor


    Might be a bit of a hot take here, but if the urine test showed she was pregnant, that would make me question her willingness to return.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,254 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    I think if she were pregnant the OP would likely have mentioned this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,865 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    The drummer from type o negative told me the immigration officer in dublin told him "ah jonny kelly with a name like that you don't need a passport"

    :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭TheWonderLlama


    LOL, you think immigration is a) taking urine tests and b) going to do a pregnancy test? Are you for real?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭Staplor


    If they did a urine test why not test it for pregnancy, in terms of border control I'd see it as reasonable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭TheWonderLlama


    If you think that's reasonable, then i'm glad you're only in charge of a keyboard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭Staplor




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,154 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    Is Irish law different to other countries on this? From watching too many of the Customs/immigration shows on TV getting denied entry is as bad as being deported in most other countries. What they do if they think you made a mistake is let you withdraw you application to enter the country then you've no issues, if the refuse or deport you then you have issues.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,254 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Different countries have different procedures, obviously, and often the administrative/practical differences are as significant, or more significant, than the legal differences. But it's generally true that:

    • being deported from a country has the most serious and most long-lasting consequences for you, after which
    • being denied a visa can cause you long-term problems (depending on the circumstances and the reason for denial), while
    • being denied entry has the fewest consequences, and may not even result in any kind of record being created.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,820 ✭✭✭dennyk


    Immigration officials generally have absolute discretion whether to allow any visitor into the country, so there's probably not much to be done from a legal standpoint. "Visiting a significant other" can certainly be a red flag for immigration, as well, as it increases the likelihood that the visitor in question will overstay, especially if they can't provide sufficient evidence of significant ties to their home country that would compel them to return.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    As far as I'm aware, Ireland fairly recently entered an information-sharing arrangement with the Schengen immigration bloc. So if she had an overstay in the Schengen area it would now likely be alerted to the Irish immigration service on scanning of the passport (previously they wouldn't have a clue).

    I've been given the third degree by immigration in a couple of countries before. Japan because I was entering after a long backpacking stint and looked like a hobo, and the US were just being the US. It's not pleasant but countries have the right to screen who is entering their country and need to be satisfied that the individual isn't up to no good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    I remember seeing a movie years ago where this was part of the plot. US Customs suspected a Columbian woman was likely a drug mule. Prior to X-raying her they did a pregnancy test (as they can't X-ray pregnant women). No idea if this is standard procedure here or even in the USA but it's probably not the insane scenario that you're making it out to be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭TheWonderLlama


    You do understand that movies aren't real life, right?



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  • Posts: 11,614 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I've been given the third degree by immigration in a couple of countries before. Japan because I was entering after a long backpacking stint and looked like a hobo, and the US were just being the US. It's not pleasant but countries have the right to screen who is entering their country and need to be satisfied that the individual isn't up to no good.

    I went to visit the US on business. Going with me was my Macedonian colleague. Going through immigration in the US, they saw the irish Passport, asked a couple of questions and sent me on my way. My colleague, same age as me, with the same company for the same length of time as me, we both had the same documentation, including invitation letters, hotel reservations for both. return flights, and letter from our boss to say we were expected in work in the EU when our trip was over. I got a cursory once over by immigration, he got interviewed by immigration for 2 hours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    You do understand that movies are often based on true events. Maybe you're only watching Marvel ones though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,622 ✭✭✭El Tarangu


    I don't know why you are being so rude; I don't know about Ireland, but in other countries, if they body scan you and have reason to suspect that you are smuggling cocaine internally, they stand around you while you you sh1t it out - asking someone to pee on a stick does not seem far-fetched at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,796 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    they don't stand around while you **** it out. they take to you a special toilet where they can inspect what comes out. there is no reason for them to do a pregnancy test.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    I remember reading a story about some fella who was taken to one of those special cells and managed to stay there for something like 50 days without "expelling the goods"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,684 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    called out by a female officer that told her how lacking of respect she was of European law.

    really?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭beachhead


    It's the law not semantics.You are not officially on Irish soil until Immigration stamp your passport or entry papers.That means you have satisfied the official representative of the Irish state that you are a bona fide traveller wishing to enter the Republic of Ireland for a legitimate reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭beachhead




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,128 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    Bit weird, usually you submit all the documents in the home country and the visa office grants you the visa, immigration jusr check the return ticket and insurance, they very rarely refuse unless they see something very suspicious



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,099 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    She should have eaten her passport and claimed asylum. Would be here for years no problem, could work after a few months, get an own door house/apartment, free medical, the works. Sorted.



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