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All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,543 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr




  • Registered Users Posts: 17,960 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    So now you are policing what other posters can and can't say here?

    Not only does it irritate you when posters have the audacity to question your views, now they can't agree with each other. Amazing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,543 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    We have to entertain ourselves somehow while we wait for you to post your next wacky conspiracy 🤷‍♂️



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,960 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Posters who question views or disagree are "trolls"

    Posters are working on "shifts"

    The change to the new Boards format was possibly a cover-up conspiracy

    Now posters who agree are "circle-jerking"

    It's a highly paranoid, toxic attitude. We are still nowhere near finding out, in any coherent way, what measures will be permanent, or more importantly, why they'd be permanent.

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Since the unvaccinated account for a disproportionate amount of ICU cases, I think it's pretty reasonable for them to not not be allowed into night clubs as it's more likely to contribute further to the issue. But for the vast majority of people, things will are increasingly back to normal.



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    I think it was summer 2020 that there were around 3 or 4 cases a day and Glynn was very concerned. So when would he and Holohan ever not be concerned if 3 or 4 cases is concerning?


    How is it increasingly normal? People will have to wear masks in nightclubs, the vaccine passport is increasingly being extended to other areas of life, and NPHET have been threatening future restrictions (what's left to restrict, I don't know).


    Just look at it from a non-conspiracy theory perspective for a second: hstory is replete with examples of what were said to be temporary laws and acts that were never repealed, or weren't repealed for years. Every year the US President extends the emergency declared after 9/11. Would you say that that emergency still exists?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius




  • Registered Users Posts: 17,960 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Many aspects of life are back to relative normal, however the virus is still a threat, there are still quite a number of daily cases, ergo we still have measures.

    9/11 was a turning point in terrorist attacks, many of the laws/rules have become semi-permanent because terrorism is still a constant threat.

    You aren't looking at any of this from a non-conspiracy perspective.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    And there will always be quite a number of daily cases. If cases are the metric then normal life doesn't resume.


    And the covid laws/rules are likely to become semi-permanent. In Spain, for example, they're keeping masks in place for flu. In São Paulo a group of doctors and scientists are preparing a report about easing mask wearing in the state, but they want masks to be required in hospitals, on public transport and in other settings (not specified). You might be fine with that, but it was said to be a temporary measure.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,960 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Yes, and the measures are relative to those figures. We have a lot of restrictions dropping soon. However if cases really start to spike up significantly we may see some measures reintroduced. We are reacting to the pandemic.

    "It was said to be a temporary measure" - No. It's a measure in reaction to a threat. Most of us thought all of this would be finished in mid-2020 when cases dropped massively due to the lockdown, we all thought that was it. It wasn't. No one has a crystal ball. Again, we are reacting to a pandemic.

    As a result of wearing masks to reduce Covid, we have discovered that other respiratory diseases have dropped significantly, like flu. Therefore some places may be considering having masks on e.g. public transport to reduce those respiratory diseases (and Covid if it turns seasonal). That's the only reason.

    You seem completely unable to process any of these things because it's obvious you deeply paranoid that the government is "up to something". The fact that you latch onto every daft conspiracy that drifts by further demonstrates that. Paranoid people are unable to see things objectively and normally.



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    You don't seem to get it: there will always be cases. If cases are the metric then it's restrictions forever. Glynn was concerned about a handful of cases in the summer. The country is close to 100% vaccinated (of those that are eligible) and the restrictions are getting heavier, not reducing. Vaccine passport being expanded to other areas of life, calls for the unvaccinated to be shut out of society, more masks, and warnings of future restrictions (what else can be restricted, I don't know).



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    And they claim that all they do is ask questions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,484 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    WTF does semi-permanent mean. It’s an impossibility. There are two states, permanent and not permanent.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,601 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    And you guys still just want a complete echo chamber.


    Its a discussion forum.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,484 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    What restrictions are getting “heavier”? More BS!



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,960 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Yes there may always be cases. That doesn't automatically mean we will all be systematically wearing masks as we do now. It depends on what's feasible. Some regions/countries may decide that in e.g. winter, we may wear masks on public transport. It all depends on how this plays out.

    The country is not 100% vaccinated. And vaccinated people can still catch the virus. The more cases there are, then the more cases there will be (exponential spread). It all depends on how many cases there are.

    Again you clearly don't want to understand any of this and are fixated that TD's are just making restrictions for the sake of it because they "love tyranny" or whatever nonsense narrative you can't let go of.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,960 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    It's a discussion forum. Some comments here are so obtuse and bizarre and child-like, it's no surprise there's a strong overlap between people who struggle to understand the world around them and those who easily fall into conspiracy theory thinking

    I've never come across a forum whereby basic concepts have to be explained so many times, why we wear masks, or get vaccines, or that satellites exist, for ****'s sake :)



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Sorry, were your false and paranoid accusations that all of us are secretly American and being paid to post supposed to raise the quality the thread?


    Your claims are really funny. It's not really anyone's else fault if they want to have a laugh about how ridiculous they are.


    But if your accusations are meant to be serious then commit to them. Show a little spine and make your accusations directly.

    Who is actually a secret American agent?


    Or better yet bring your iron clad evidence to the mods.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    But again we know that these measures aren't likely to be permanent because you guys aren't able to provide a rational reason for why they will be permanent.


    You keep deflecting from this point every time we get close to forcing you to answer.

    It's almost like you don't want to explain what you believe is really going on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 857 ✭✭✭PintOfView


    "You don't seem to get it: there will always be cases. If cases are the metric then it's restrictions forever. "

    Yes, there will likely always be cases, just like with colds and flu. In time it's likely the vast majority of the population will have gotten covid, and be reasonably immune to its worst effects, like with flu. If we get to that stage then the threat of overwhelming the hospitals will be reduced, or get to flu level, and most restrictions will become unnecessary, and will just fall away. I do think masks in winter, worn at least by those with symptoms, would be a good take away from the pandemic.

    You talk like the restrictions are being imposed without any context or reason. If you don't believe the virus exists, or you don't take the threat seriously, then of course it must seem strange to you that we've had restrictions, and that some still continue.

    However most people who realise the virus is real, and who see that it has caused havoc in hospitals already, and know people who've had a bad bout of covid, or who have lost family members, have no problem seeing the logic of the public health policy. If you were trying to put out a fire, would you just give it a quick squirt of the extinguisher and walk away, or would you monitor it and give it more if necessary, till all was extinguished?

    "The country is close to 100% vaccinated (of those that are eligible) and the restrictions are getting heavier, not reducing. "

    My turn to ask if you are actually living in Ireland? Using what kind of logic do you deduce restrictions are getting heavier, on the very eve of more restrictions being lifted? Have you been out and about, or driven in rush hour traffic, which seems to have gone back to pre-covid levels, despite some people still working from home - I dread to think what it will be like if everyone goes back to the office!

    "Vaccine passport being expanded to other areas of life"

    Firstly, what other areas of life are they being expanded into? Second, do you not see any logic in requiring a vaccine cert for large gatherings without social distancing? Take two events with lots of people crammed together. One requires all to be vaccinated, the other doesn't. Which one is likely to produce more covid cases?

    calls for the unvaccinated to be shut out of society

    Who is calling for unvaccinated to be shut out of society? And what do you mean "shut out of society"? Do you need a vaccine cert to go shopping, or to get public transport, or to visit someone in their home?

    If you are not vaccinated because you are afraid of what Bill Gates put in the vaccine, then that's fine, it's a free country. With most people vaccinated the risk is now mainly to yourself, but of course you are also more likely to need hospitalisation. What do you think the situation would be now if everyone in the country took your advice and didn't get vaccinated? Do you think it would be exactly like it is today, with moderate numbers of cases, etc, or would we have more restrictions in an attempt to control the virus?



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    There will always be cases and there will always be NPHET's concern. Even if it were just a single case.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Because you guys keep running away from points and questions and start throwing out accusations of trolling when you get annoyed that people dare not to be convinced by your running away.



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    It might be reduced, but they're overwhelmed every winter. It's not realistic to believe that hospitals will be allowed to be overwhelmed from now on. That probably means restrictions every winter.


    But it's not some of the restrictions. It's more or less all of them. Masks everywhere, social distancing, vaccine passports.


    Masks are set to be mandatory in nightclubs. That's another restriction. There's a push in the media for the vaccine passport to be required in other settings. And when the Irish media push for something it tends to happen.


    There may be a logic to it, but I find the idea of a vaccine passport frightening. It makes me think of China and the QR codes. In sensible countries like Sweden and Norway, where freedom is valued, there's no vaccine passport.


    Joe O'Shea called for the vaccinated to be shut out of society. Joe Duffy and Pat Kenny are demonising the unvaccinated. There was a poll a few weeks ago saying two thirds of the population wanted restrictions to be placed on the unvaccinated (not realising that they themselves are living heavily restricted lives).


    Not yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was required for public transport, GP surgeries and hospitals in the near future. And possibly supermarkets. In Frankfurt supermarkets can ban people who don't produce a vaccine passport. In France it's required almost everywhere. Same in Italy and Lithuania. Vaccine passports are not good.


    When did I advise people not to get vaccinated? People can do whatever they want. I'm not against the vaccine. You can't really have more restrictions than the present ones. More or less eery aspect of our lives is restricted. There's actually nothing a person can do without having to prepare for it, be it bringing a mask with them, their vaccine passport or booking something in advance.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,601 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Because ye conspiracists like to complain about people trying to have a discussion with ye rather than actually have a discussion.



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    Eh nightclubs requiring a vaccine passport is pretty logical if you've ever gone to a nightclub. But ya, there are still restrictions. It's also incredibly unlikely that the cert would be used to restrict access to healthcare in any form. But suspect you're throwing out any ideas that are coming into your head, access to healthcare is not remotely comparable to nightclubs.


    And yes, restrictions based on certs vary country by country. Since Ireland is extending based on high risk venues, it's unlikely that they will extend to supermarkets with the possible exception of if there was a drastic increase in cases.


    I'm also not aware of any major push to use certs by the media. But also if you're referring to opinion pieces etc, they're the home of opinions. You can say that it's nefarious but equally plenty of the media went on a frequent offensive against NPHET throughout the pandemic. But you're not gonna draw attention to the fact the media holds a range of opinions. By your logic NPHET should have been disbanded about a year ago given the level it was targeted by the media, cause the media gets what the media wants. But that doesn't fit your narrative.


    Fyi, I'm not booking eating out. If I really didn't want to show a cert. I could get seats outside and I often do choose to outside. Honestly, I can do pretty much anything I used to do. You can complain about fact you might have to don a mask but this has no tangible negative impact upon you...



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    Are the childish posts Markus Antonius highlighted "trying to have a discussion"? Is replying over and over again to people who will never reply to you "trying to have a discussion"?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    You mean the posts making fun of Markus' accusation that we're all secretly American and paid to post here?

    Not a great example to point out.


    Do you agree with his accusation? Do you think accusations like these help or hinder discussion?


    And yes trying to engage with people even though they repeatedly declare they are bravely not responding to you is by definition "trying to have a discussion". And the fault again squarely lies with the people ignoring questions and refusing to engage.



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