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Irish Property Market chat II - *read mod note post #1 before posting*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,519 ✭✭✭wassie


    The Commencement Notice has Top Drawer Developments as the owner.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,504 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I doubt it. Generally state bodies do not have land banks in small villages. The Agricultural college is run by a religious order and they tend not to give anything away. There was a boarding school there pre the 1970's. Unusual name to call it The Orchard. However back that direction down by the Shannon was an area where there was a lot of apple grown( close to the Shannon giving an early spring) 50 years ago. I would not be surprised if the land was previously an Orchard. I do recall that there was a lot of development sites around there just before the 2008/10 crash so I suspect it's a hangover from that period.

    They have a strong progressive GAA club there. Kildimo/ Pallaskenry. Kyle Hayes plays for them. They are a senior hurling club and are in the Intermediate football final this year. They were two separate clubs and they fully amalgamated and have some record since. I think they were junior Football and intermediate hurling 5+ years ago so have come up two grades in both.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,603 ✭✭✭Villa05


    From the photo the 1st phase 8 houses appears to be complete in the background



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,020 ✭✭✭MacronvFrugals



    Irish estate agents never were a classy bunch I suppose but this is borderline comedic!





  • Registered Users Posts: 3,358 ✭✭✭fergiesfolly


    We've gone sale agreed on our home. Estate agent contacted the purchaser to follow up on engineer's report and bank valuation.

    Purchaser said he's not getting an engineer's report and EA said he's not obliged to.

    Will the bank not ask for one on condition of getting the mortgage?

    My thoughts were that he's putting it off till the bank do their valuation, but that's just wasting time.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,205 ✭✭✭cruizer101


    When we purchased bank didn't request engineer report and have never heard of it being a thing. Its just done for purchasers own confidence



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,656 ✭✭✭C14N


    The bank only demand their own valution, which is far less comprehensive than an engineer/surveyor report. They'll just send someone out to assess what the house looks like and verify that it is worth what they're lending for it, basically so that if worst comes to the worst and they repossess it, then they can sell it and get their loan amount back.

    Purchaser can skip the engineer's report if he wants. It's unsual to do, because then if some defect turns up that he should have known about later on, it'll be his problem, but he can do it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,656 ✭✭✭C14N


    I understand taking the picture on a sunny day, and turning up image brightness and the saturation and stuff for the ads. It might seem a bit sneaky but there is no "correct" picture in digital photography, it's all just a subjective decision (it's just that the decision is being made by a computer algorithm instead of a person if they don't adjust it).

    What I don't understand is why they edited the whole ground to remove the footpath and grass. That must have taken a bit of time and effort, and I didn't really think footpaths and grass were really that un-appealing to begin with.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Even the angle of the brick work on the ground is different between the two pictures. Maybe it was all ripped up and relaid between the two pictures hence the bricks being a different angle and the footpath/grass being removed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭shawki


    He's turning a bit into the White Moose Cafe lad with all his call outs.

    Do you have the Eircode so we can check the date of the Google street view?

    I guess none of his followers copped the few years of growth on the side wall.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,020 ✭✭✭MacronvFrugals


    Not sure tbh but the seller has taken the ad down off Bid1X



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,038 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    i cant take to that lad at all, he is just another young lad trying to make a few quid off gullible people with his patreon account and has latched onto property as his schtick.



  • Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭shawki


    Probably due to unwarranted abuse/reports from yer mans followers.

    God help my parents if they ever sell the family home, their street view is from 2009.

    He'll call them out for photoshopping the extension.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,656 ✭✭✭C14N


    I considered that but assumed that the "2021" on the right image meant it was taken this year. Looking at the actual StreetView, it was taken April 2019, so it is possible it was redone within the past 2.5 years.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,036 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    ah in fairness the street view is likely years out of date, all thats changed is the driveway being relaid and it being brighter which could be entirely down to the camera or conditions.

    Almost everything on street view has the grim filter applied to it that makes even the nicest street look like a communist dystopia.

    Thats just a copyright. Their copyright is always updated to the current year.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    Thats exactly it.

    We viewed a house that had a google photo from 2014. It was totally different to the wreck of a house that it was in 2014.

    I reckon 50% of the buyers looked at the google photo and didnt bother going to look at the house. It really was a gem.

    But there really is no excuse for the photo shopping in that photo above. Even the cars are hovering :)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,652 ✭✭✭yer man!


    To be fair though to the house being talked about in the insta post, that auctioneer has removed the satellite dishes on top and in front of the house too, you can see he left the wires there but covered over the dishes. The fact that they did that makes me believe they definitely altered the ground even if the street view is out of date. It’s not really just a simple filter application.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,020 ✭✭✭MacronvFrugals



    Do you guys think the age old adage of buying the worst house in the best area still applies giving the massive increase in materials/labour costs we've seen over the last 18 months?

    I ask because a friend of mine bought a place that was in fairly good condition and embarked on doing a double extension and major renovations of the house inside, insulation/UF heating with heat pump etc, granted he can do a lot himself as he's a tradesman but the materials/labour costs are really taking a toll on his mental health at this point, he bought the house in late 2019 so the rises were somewhat unexpected.



  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭JDigweed


    It's not much to expect a recent accurate photograph. Whatever the feelings are about the account, he's calling out bullshit where it's due. Estate agents deliberately misleading people with incorrect addresses.



  • Registered Users Posts: 120 ✭✭1percent


    And the bottom right corner of the downstairs front window has been bricked over! As photos shops go it's awful



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,504 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    It all depends on what you are ant. If you want to revamp the complete house. Then buy the cheapest house in an area within reason. However at present building and upgrading costs are expensive it is questioning the value of these houses and viability of attempting a project like this.

    Saw this on daft for Limerick.

    However IMO you will need 150-200k to revamp this house. You would want to be 100% sure you have the financial ability to carry out such a project. Often this is an area trades people who buy these projects fail to understand. They feel they can carry out all the work themselves. They have a go at plumbing, tiling, carpentry, structural work and plastering. What they fail to grasp is they often take twice the time a tradesperson who specialises in that skill takes. Many would be better off working extra hours in there own trade and pay a skilled person in that trade.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    1. If you get paid €1000 and pay 400 tax, then you can pay someone else 600 for your 1000 work.

    2. Where do you find a skilled tradesman?

    We've had tradesmen do really awful jobs. If you do it yourself it's way cheaper, may take longer but at least done right.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    It's not. If you look at the driveway brickwork again, it's definitely photoshop. It's just cloned and pasted over a few times, and they've done it that badly they've eaten about ten inches off the bottom of the house, and left a small bar of fine, mysterious mist around it instead.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,519 ✭✭✭wassie


    Updated pic with a new Tweet:

    They've removed the Photoshopped photo now (sky is still edited). However, it shouldn't be the case that I have to keep highlighting this stuff to hold Estate Agents to account. The property industry regulations are so poorly enforced here.

    Spot the difference




  • Registered Users Posts: 18,504 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Tradespeople are usually able to source other reputable trades people if they cannot there is no hope for the rest of us. Most tradespeople are self employed now in plumbing and electrical unless they work for very large contractors. Therefore you would have a certain amount of leeway to push some of the expense through your sole trader account. As well even if a PAYE trades person you would still have the ability to do the infamous''Tommers'' and get paid cash or not put the jobs through the system. I always work on the assumption that I will earm more money at my own skillset than I will save by doing really skilled jobs myself.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    A close neighbor is an XX on building sites, so well connected. He had to fire the guy he got and do it himself.

    Twice we called a plumber to fix our tank, in the end I had to go up and fix the ballcock myself.

    Quote to replace manhole in back about €1,400, replaced myself with far superior frame & cover for €250.

    We live in an old house and have serious problems getting skilled tradespeople at a reasonable price despite knowing a lot.

    It guess it depends, if you're earning over €200k a year, it's an easy financial decision to get people in. If you're earning less than €100k you might be better off doing a lot of jobs yourself.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    Am I missing something?

    €220k for two acres of agricultural land.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,656 ✭✭✭C14N


    I'm also baffled by this. It's not even like it's agricultural land very close to a town where it has the potential for development. They're selling it specifically saying there is not and never has been planning permission to build anything. How would anyone farming the land be able to justify spending that much on it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,044 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    I have about 10 acres zoned for half that, that price is mental.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,044 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    There is a youtube video for absolutely everything you can think of, that is how I learn everything. The one caveat I generally have is water and electricity, bar basic to medium jobs I would get in a qualified tradesmen. One has the potential to wreck your home, the other to kill you. I'd would have also considered a plasterer before but there is skim tools you can buy now that make a decent finish achievable for a DIYer.

    All joinery, carpentry, tiling, painting, I do myself. It requires investing in tools but even then you can buy perfectly adequate tools for DIY for cheap in Lidl now. It won't be perfect but I cant put a price on the satisfaction I get when someone compliments something in my home and I tell them "I made that".



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