Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Iran’s Ministry of Health and Medical Education stopped releasing province-level data on confirmed cases and deaths in March 2020, so your graph is useless and ironically more nonsensical than the below.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/10/20/iran-braces-for-sixth-covid-wave-despite-speedy-vaccine-rollout

Yet they're still facing another wave, so natural herd immunity isn't doing a whole lot.

Not at all.

Those ICU numbers and breakdown are available on hspc and geohive BTW.

Yes Sweden has a very low number of elderly admitted to their ICUs.

The was a big kick up about it around last year when the numbers showed that many elderly had died on wards or at home having been refused admission on the basis of their age to ICU.

Their ICU figures for mortality were so much better than their neighbours in Norway despite their lowish ICU beds, because they were triaging patients.

Totally different triaging beds if they are scarce or but unless someone has a DNR or is end of life it should not be OK to refuse emergency treatment on the basis of age.

Commission report on it in Dec 2020, last few points relevant here https://ltccovid.org/2020/12/16/report-of-the-swedish-corona-commission-on-care-of-older-people-during-the-pandemic/

I see this morning Mr Martin talking about the seasonality of covid.

And earlier in the week we had Leo stating officially that the vaccine protection was waning.

These are just conspiracy theories according to certain posters here, I wonder how they feel about the people in charge of this country being conspiracy theorists?

It does make you wonder why with very few cases and very few deaths Ireland never opened in the Summer. Now with hospitals up 15% weekly, ICU up 20% weekly and deaths up 150% weekly everything is just the perfect time, so lets open up everything heading into Winter.

Maybe just me but it does look a bit mad !

Well seeing that we have posts mentioning waning it’s important we actually understand it as some people might not.

A question for those who want to fully lift all restrictions.

Imagine if ICU beds were infinite.

Have you a figure for how many hospitalisations, ICU admissions & deaths are tolerable before restrictions should be reimposed ?

Think I read before there are 80-90 deaths per day on average, so would an additional 10 per day be acceptable for a fully open society ?

It's the elephant in the room that nobody seems willing to address, what price a life ?

It was always mad, and it was always the question, but when anybody asked it they were shouted down by the shills.

In August the government announced a final reopening that was over 2 full months away, on a date that was effectively around the start of the flu season.

Why? A blind man could have seen what was going to happen, no hindsight needed, the posts asking this are there for all to see.

The laughable part is that they did the exact some thing in 2020, stayed closed all summer and then tried to open up in the winter, look how that turned out.

Indeed what price a life - how many lives will have been lost because of restrictions? We currently have 1 million on waiting lists, and that will only increase this winter. And these will generally be younger lives lost, with arguably more damage caused to young families etc. How many lives could be saved if the billions spent on the pandemic had been put into general improvement in hospital care. Yes the hospitals being overwhelmed affects everyone, but don’t give us this rubbish about the price of life when quite a few of us are probably going to die in the coming years through lack of access to the system in time.

Are there legitimate reasons why we aren't ploughing through boosters? Would there be any drawbacks? Just seems like a no-brainer

Waste of doses as some may not need one at all, especially younger age groups and it's really not good public health policy to keep jabbing everyone.

Vaccinated people can still contract the virus and can still end up in hospital with it.

We have also eased most of the restrictions. People are being social again and that was always going to lead to an upsurge in cases.

There's also been 15 school clusters in the past week. The government seems happy to let it rip there with a very little mitigation measures.

This is happening in all countries as they open up. Singapore for example has circa 80% of their population vaccinated but are in the top 15 for cases at the moment (50% higher than Ireland). Iceland also a high vaccination rate (>80%)is currently seeing a weekly increase of 41% per week from a low base though so still half Irelands case numbers per 100K.

I think everyone has their theories on why this is, for me it is - even at 80% there is still a large unvaccinated base, vaccine is circa 90% effective and people who are too elderly or frail that the vaccine does not really help.

On the good news, Israel vacination rate (65%) opened up in the summer and case numbers rose 9 fold from the end of July to the middle of September. Now the rates have fallen back just as quickly and are back where they were in July (<100 cases per 100K)