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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,242 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Interesting documentary last night on Network 2 outlining the build up to January 6 and the way the right wing militias were encouraged by Trump in 2020 from Charlottesville to the incident in Michigan when fully armed militia men stormed the state capital looking to try the Governor after Trump said they had a problem with her. Another gang had the plan to kidnap, try and execute her . Its quite clear from the interviews with the likes of the Proud boys, Oath keepers, Boogaloo boys and the rest that they believe in armed rebellion, even discussing shooting cops as they are seen as defenders of a corrupt government.

    You could see this was all building to January 6th when all these guys though all their birthdays had come together as they had the chance to launch a rebellion encouraged by the then president. I can see some governor being murdered by these guys or a bomb in some state building. One guy said they felt encouraged by having a president who supported them at least 75%.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,825 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Without even getting into Twitter's non obligation to allow absolute freedom of speech, alt right trolls do not hold freedom of speech as someone dear principle. It's just a means to a Fascist end.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,635 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Exactly, this attempt to absolve Trump of any responsibility for the insurrection because he didn't actually say they should do it is really worrying as people as basically saying that despite all the evidence they don't care. Very clearly, Trump was aggitating the far right. Back in 2016 he said that if HC won people had 2nd A and knew what to do. He openly called for people against him to be beaten up ("I will pay for the legal costs").

    There is a clear and demonstrable path that Trump was working towards and it is so scary that the very people that say they love their country and love democracy are the very ones supporting a man that has done the most to destroy it. From his failure to denounce far right groups, his siding with conspiracy theorists, his labelling anyone that was against him as anti-American, calling the media traitors.

    It was clear from early on that he would be willing to go to almost any length to secure a 2nd term. I think he only failed because he actually underestimated Biden. He really never thought Biden was popular enough to win. All the things he has done since the election, and lets remember he tried to screw around with the postal service before it, he really should have done before the election. He started, but never went as full on as he is now. I believe he thought he didn't have too.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,498 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    In news that will surprise almost no one , it's already been hacked.

    People were able to guess the login/account setup page which of course was live so they went in and created Donald Trump accounts , Mike Pence accounts etc. and were able to post on the site , despite it not supposed to be going live for a few weeks at least.

    I wonder what the technology behind the platform will be?

    Will they use an off the shelf tool or will they try to build their own?

    The track-record on the technology front for these "Freedom" based tools is poor to say the least.

    I expect to see wide spread hacking and huge security breaches within days of launch.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,469 ✭✭✭francois




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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭Rawr


    That is the surprising Achilles Heel to a lot of these attempts. There seems to routinely be a noticible lack of actual technical ability in these Twitter rivals.

    • Parler was killed by them seemingly being unable to learn how host their site on non-AWS servers.
    • Trump's "Desk" blog was clearly some kind of Wordpress skin on top of a Wordpress site little more complex than one I'd make myself. Thus it fell over onto itself in little time.
    • One can only wonder what GETTR is built on.
    • And finally we've got this Freedom thing, which given Trump's ownership of the platform must have been built on the cheapest bug-ridden code that could be found.

    I can't understand why they don't learn their lessons here, and actually invest in technical talent. I can't help but wonder how long Freedom will last during early adoption when they overload what is likely the only server they bothered building for this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,635 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Why would they bother to invest? There is no need for this platform to actually achieve anything, Trump already has his rallies for that. This is simply to throw meat at the base, and when it falls over they can claim that Big tech/Communists/Socialists/Haters/HC etc etc will do anything to stop them.

    Its a win-win for Trump. He keeps in the news, has to do very little to do it, his base lap it up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,702 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Trump likely thinks his previous 80m+ followers on twitter will jump ship to his new platform. The issue is a huge number of his followers (minus bots, companies, journalists etc) craved the attention from arguments, trolling, triggering the lefties etc. They may join Trump's new platform to screenshot his posts or gather memes, but they'll still flock back to Twitter and spend most of their time there.

    Depending on subscription costs (given he seems to be launching other media platform alongside it too), even many of his fanbase might just wait until his posts etc are regurgitated on Twitter/Facebook and get them from there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,518 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Apparently it's a mostly uncredited clone of Mastodon, which has been brought to the attention of the Mastodon developers. https://mashable.com/article/trump-truth-social-hacked-trolls



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,637 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    George Orwell - 'The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command'



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,518 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    In #2xIMPOTUS related news, the new 'Trump loser lawyer name' du jure is John Eastman, who was the 'legal advisor' to the coup attempt. Apparently, his Bar association is very unhappy with him giving bad advice and violating lawyer codes of conduct. Eastman's defense is pure Trumpworld: although there is a document stating exactly all these bad things I did, I didn't mean it. In fact, I met with the targeted person (Pence) and told him I didn't mean it. Not surprisingly, the Bar Association is skeptical - if it's in writing, you can claim all sorts of things about what you said (orally) and it's not worth the paper it's written on.





  • Registered Users Posts: 5,297 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    House votes on whether to hold Steve Bannon in contempt of Congress


    What will the consequences be?



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,625 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,971 ✭✭✭randomname2005


    Counting down to the RINO comments...



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    Trump's new SM site turns out to be, in an incredible surprise move, ripped off from somewhere else.


    Trump's Social Media Platform Could Already Face Legal Issues, After Allegedly Ripping Off Code (gizmodo.com)


    EDIT: It also seems to have disappeared from App Store. ETTD indeed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,682 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Wasn't Make America Great Again stolen from Regan?


    Btw - more depositions for Trump. 23rd December in Summer Zervos' case.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,366 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    I'm sure the cries of 'big tech monopoly' over the app being removed, and conveniently forget about the stolen code



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,682 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    I wonder if all this delay in him trying to stop the release of documents re Jan 6 along with Bannon not testifying will rumble on through the various Courts and be tied up until the midterms.

    Pretty easy to associate trump with all remaining Reps and having that in the headlines can only hurt the Reps.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,498 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It's clearly the plan to try and hold out until after the mid-terms with the hope that the GOP take back the House and instantly cancel all the investigations , presumably to replace them with lots of Hunter Biden committees.

    To be honest at this point in the absence of any actual new evidence all the fall-out is already built in to support levels/polling.

    If you support Trump and the GOP you aren't going to change your mind because of their ongoing obstructionist behaviour , there's a slim outside chance that some might change their minds if we actually got to see the paper trail etc. but again not many.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,825 ✭✭✭✭briany


    So, if we make the assumption that the Republican party will win back the HoR in 2022, then there are really only 14 months or so for these investigations to be wrapped up and produce an actual result, or else the message is clear - Trump can do what he likes and face no real consequences.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,437 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    trump has more issues than any House investigations. there are several criminal investigations in New York (both federal and state) plus elsewhere. the GOP winning the house won't affect them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,518 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭Rawr


    It's also interesting that they went down the route of an Open Source platform to do this. For one, the price is right for Trump but even if he flaunts the rules for open source licencing, Mastodon can't actually shut down Truth Media.

    However, by going open source system and just rebranding it, I feel we're back in the same pot-hole of them throwing something together and not putting much thought into the technical support end of things. I suspect they're setting themselves up for load of technical issues, especially with the mobile apps which I believe for Mastodon you have to develop yourself.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,469 ✭✭✭francois


    OPen source of great, a big fan myself, and while it can be cost effective in terms of licensing, management requires a certain skillset which you will have to pay for. Trump being the cheapo that he is would likely go for the lowest level 1 support option possible



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,498 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Well - If they continue to breach the Open Source rules around correctly crediting the owners etc. then Mastodon could force them to stop using it.

    I mean the T&C's on the site tries to claim full copyright over the source code , which even for a forked version of an open source code base isn't on.

    But as another poster pointed out - The key part of this isn't about whatever Twitter knock-off Trump may or may not launch , it's all about the grift he's trying to pull with the SPAC behind the company.

    The gullible have already driven the stock price of the SPAC vehicle up 350%+ just yesterday despite there being absolutely zero information about what the business model is or who will actually be running the company etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,518 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Interest scam. One shell company merging with another and issuing stock, no business plans, no outside investors, nothing. Basically a stock market version of laying a wager on a race or buying a lottery ticket. Perverse. Once it goes belly up, someone should litigate the exchange listing this scheme.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,498 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It's a Ponzi scheme basically , except here the rules for SPACs are that the "Principal" which in this case is Trump is guaranteed 20% of the pot - They've "valued" the company in a range of ~$875M to $1.7B.

    So Trump gets to syphon off his 20% no matter what happens , even if the company never actually does a thing (and something like 60% of SPACs never actually go on to do anything). If the stock hits anything like the valuation range they've put on it , Trump could pocket anything from ~$180M to $350M.

    So once again he'll draw in the suckers, take their money and leave them holding the bag.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,294 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Stupid people are his oxygen unfortunately.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,682 ✭✭✭✭everlast75




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