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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,325 ✭✭✭iLikeWaffles


    Does anyone else find the use of 'circa' for every other context besides a year excessive.... "around", "about", "roughly", "approx.", "on estimate", "something like", "~n%" what's wrong with any of these.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Last year and this year is like comparing apples and oranges. It’s a different situation especially when you add in the booster program along with 90% vaccinated . So forgive me if i don’t share your doomsday predictions. But either way it won’t make much difference to me as i have said.

    If we went back into lockdown that would mean we’ve given up and they would now have to be endless and never ending because there would be nothing else to throw at it. That would be some life to look forward to in this country ? Never be able to plan or ever look forward to anything again, what a sad scenario . On the plus side i think in the next year it will become endemic.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,088 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Have you not just today posted on another thread that you believe the vaccine trials caused the variants ?

    I find it scary that not only would someone believe that, but also that they would go on social media to promote that bulls###t.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,571 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Doesn't bother me TBH. There's nothing wrong with any of your other suggestions either. All good.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 209 ✭✭Ah_well.


    Does anyone miss what it feels like to feel properly alive anymore ? Being in a crowd of thousands of happy people that don’t give a **** ?We work all week in a mundane life . Work already occupies way too much of our short time span on earth . Life is so so short . There is no time only the time you have now . These governments that we allow make decisions for us. How the hell have they so much power to shut down human behaviour. We all know it’s a hard time with this pandemic but this is just the blink of an eye in history.Past long forgotten generations had a life expectancy less than half the current ones riddled with hardships we could never comprehend with absolutely horrid devastating existences . Divisions over vaccination status pathetic people on Twitter whinging about young people out living their life . It’s just sad . It makes me sick to my stomach . Live the life you have stop trying to shut down other people’s lives . You have no right to do that . Nobody has the right to do that.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 749 ✭✭✭Timistry


    Well said ah_ well. It is amazing how everyone is an expert in science all of a sudden and yet ignore the facts. The way u see it, COVID-19 will be with us for 5 years or much much more. The cold kills thousands every winter and not a word about it. This will be no different. Hiding behind HSE deficiency is a Cod and a national abuse of power.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,805 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Covid will become endemic, nobody is blind to that. I'ts plain to see zero covid is long gone.

    However, each wave as such bring more natural immunity, meaning a novel virus becomes less lethal. The fact it mutates less than influenza means the vaccines would have a longer and far reaching impact.

    The reason covid is so dangerous is it's novel to our immune systems.

    I don't think I've ever remember a cold killing thousands each winter, unless you're so clueless to think a cold is the same as the flu?



  • Registered Users Posts: 209 ✭✭Ah_well.




  • Registered Users Posts: 389 ✭✭Vaccinated30




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,213 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.




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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,857 ✭✭✭growleaves


    I don't know anything about Lithuania but people approaching their old age in most times and places in human history were not desperately trying to extend their biological life span at any cost.

    Maybe the older generation in Lithuania are Christian and accept death or, like St Paul, even look forward to it?

    That might sound strange to the average Irish person now but it would not be historically strange.

    I'm guessing that the cheat-death-at-all-costs imperative will soon morph into transhumanism - which is something I want nothing to do with.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,857 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Btw I'm surprised a few Irish people, only a small minority of course, seemed to have fully embraced "Xi Jinping Thought".

    Denying medical care to people who don't do what you tell them to do is isomorphic to Tier D of the Chinese social credit system.

    Traditionally in Ireland we don't deny medical care to... well anyone. Hospitals are named after Christian saints, mercy and charity are unspoken non-negotiable values ( or used to be, hard to tell now).

    But hey I guess both Enlightenment values and traditional Catholic values are inferior to an Irishised take on Xi Jinping's glorious system of perfect control and subservience.

    How can we crack down on climate criminals, restriction-breakers and other disloyal traitors if we allow them to receive medical care?



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,812 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    I'd find it hard to believe that we'd be put into a lockdown which so much of a population vaccinated.

    What I'd like to know is how is our health service in such disarray and a pathetic amount of free beds?

    It's not like they weren't aware that there was a pandemic on or that restrictions were to ease. A lot of the blame has to go there and no towards the unvaccinated



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,056 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    It’s not simply the case though of just putting in beds. The main issue is the staffing requirements from Medical Directors, specialists, ICU nurses etc. Nobody could have predicted a worldwide global pandemic( well they should have war gamed it in the WHO) so to train all these additional staff members would have been impossible. Now if it was localised to one country, then outside professionals could have been brought in but the whole world is dealing with this.

    There has been an increase in the number of ICU beds since the start but not the amount that was proposed.

    But I don’t think any country in the world is sufficiently resourced for what they are going through and from what I can see hospitals have been doing remarkably well.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,068 ✭✭✭Murph85


    Blackmail starts in the uk! " save xmas by getting booster jab " the same joke as here...

    https://www.itv.com/news/2021-10-23/nation-urged-to-get-covid-19-booster-to-protect-freedom-and-christmas



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,359 ✭✭✭✭lawred2




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,056 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    The use of the word blackmail as a description of what is in the article is disingenuous.


    In fact it’s simply stating the truth that the higher the percentage of vaccinated people the less likely that lockdown restrictions would be imposed. U.K. got off to a blistering start to the vaccination rollout but then completely capitulated mainly due to poor management.

    Its becoming a very common theme that people who are against vaccination are usually the ones that give out about imposition of lockdown requirements because of the infection rate.

    Its a real persecution complex.



  • Registered Users Posts: 729 ✭✭✭SupplyandDemandZone


    I'm all for denying medical care to anyone who's unvaccinated as soon as the same applies to anyone who drives a ICE car because after all fumes from cars cause millions of deaths per year worldwide. I mean these people need to stop driving to protect others for Christ sake.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,056 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    When do people advocating denial of treatment to people who refused to be vaccinated realise they don’t own their own imaginary where they can roll out their version of inhumane treatment to their imaginary patients. It’s like a kid saying that they will be a Jedi master when they grow up. Delusional.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,996 ✭✭✭Blut2


    Or probably more logically as soon as we deny medical to anyone who gets lung cancer from smoking. Or diabetes or heart attacks from being overweight. They're all completely avoidable, and selfishly self-inflicted too. We could clear up a lot of hospital bed space by refusing medical care to these people.

    Either we deny medical care to nobody in society or we deny it to everyone who makes damaging lifestyle choices. Covid vaccination status isn't the only one of these that puts pressure on our hospitals.



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    I Read somewhere that it’s pointless getting the booster until at least 6 months after second one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,860 ✭✭✭sporina




  • Registered Users Posts: 15,088 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Genuine question.

    You are a triage doctor in A&E. One vacant bed left in the hospital and there are two people who need hospital care for Covid and both are at the same level of illness. One has been fully vaccinated, the other no vaccination by choice. Who would you allocate get the bed too, the person who followed the medical advice, or the person who did not ?

    It not really a hypothetical question as in emergency situations doctors are very often required to make those calls.



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    You get into a very questionable area ethically very quickly if you go down that road..



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,088 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    What is questionable about it ?

    It`s certainly not as questionable as your statement that you believe that variants are due to vaccine clinical trials.

    It`s a decision triage doctors have to make on a regular basis as to who receives on going medical care, or often who gets a hospital bed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,857 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Triage decisions are never made based on a retrospective assessment of 'compliant' behaviour.

    A doctor would be struck off for basing such a decision on whether someone had 'followed medical advice'.

    You are a deeply confused man Charlie and your question reveals that. You're showing us how little you know.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,876 ✭✭✭Russman


    Ah lads, c’mon, nobody in a civilised society is going to be denied health care because of a vaccination choice, it’s a line we’ll thankfully never ever cross.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,857 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Yes and while bed shortages have been a problem for years there was never any sense before to that it was a demented game of musical chairs, and the lack of beds could be a reason to up-end all social norms, behaviours, freedoms and life itself.

    If it's that important why haven't we pumped ALL our resources into ICU expansion at the cost of everything else?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,996 ✭✭✭Blut2


    Genuine question.

    You are a triage doctor in A&E. One vacant bed left in the hospital and there are two people who need hospital care for Covid and both are at the same level of illness. One is overweight, the other a healthy weight. Who would you allocate get the bed too, the person who followed medical advice and dieted/exercised well, or the person who has an unhealthy diet?

    We know bodyweight is the #1 risk factor other than age for covid hospitalization, and have known this for over a year. And obesity is entirely self inflicted, nobody is forced to overeat. If we're kicking the unvaccinated out of hospitals we surely need to stop offering care to anyone overweight too by your logic? They've had a year to start losing weight and they haven't bothered.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,359 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Not if it was left up to all the right on warriors here



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