Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

This should be in the vaccine thread, but your enthusiasm for the Valneva vaccine seems out of all proportion to the limited results coming out of their trials. Even their own press release makes very modest claims.

I'm not qualified to assess the research, but from my layman's reading it seems like they are just saying that the antibody levels are good a couple of weeks after the second shot and the vaccine is well tolerated, but the comparison is against AZ which is known to have relatively slow (but eventually robust) antibody ramp up compared to the mRNA vaccines. There weren't enough cases to draw strong conclusions about prevention of severe disease.

https://valneva.com/press-release/valneva-reports-positive-phase-3-results-for-inactivated-adjuvanted-covid-19-vaccine-candidate-vla2001/

You know remote learning for Primary school children is a complete disaster. The Department put absolutely no resources into online learning. Whatever chance secondary schools have you can't have 5/6 years taught remotely. It's just crazy and those children have already missed way to much schooling as it is. But yeah, it's all about child care.

Here's another example of the necessity of vaccines: an anti-vaxxer dying from Covid created a series of Tiktok videos about her experience. It's very grim viewing. She's defiant for the first few videos then reality starts to set in.

https://video.wixstatic.com/video/870a07_2ed64844556741e7995d63895d270b73/480p/mp4/file.mp4

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I have the vaccind but that video seems fake..i think its sey up just to get money

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if its true.. she is an anti vaccer and has a kid and wants the world to pay into a fund for herkid..why didnt shejust get the vaccine.

Or why doesn't she loose weight she looks overweight..underlying health issue...one of these slobs who spends all day making tik.tok videos

They always beg for money at the end too, to pay for the situation they put themselves in....

That requires admitting they were wrong and learn from it (with the limited time she had left) but unfortunately in a certain part of the world where a persons entire worth is built up around this stuff, it never happens.

There is a reddit forum about it and even after they die, the families will almost always play down covid or say it was something else.

I just find it strange that the same people who don't want schools closed also don't want masks, don't fight for them to have hepa filters etc. Irish schools were closed for a long time in 2020 as it was March to June bur the closure in 2021 wasn't really thar substantial in the grand scheme of things. It's not ideal but when they put no mitigations into school, and now do no contact tracing, I'm not sure the rest of society should have to suffer for tbe sake of schools being exactly like before covid plus sanisiter. When I referred to remote learning I meant for cases of close contacts etc, but to be honest I think Irish people don't realise how long schools closed in other countries compared with here. It was the full year in some countries. Also think people need to realise that SEN is going to be really neglected due to the sub shortage.

bet that makes a few here feel all warm and fuzzy inside

I think the policy for primary schools is all wrong . Close contacts of a positive case should be tested very quickly and once negative then back to school . Not testing them at all is ridiculous

But most parents are being the responsible ones and informing other parents if their child is positive . The parents can then decide if they are going to get a PCR or do an antigen test before sending them in

Surely that is a fair compromise

I can only speak for our local school where the vast majority have informed other parents and given them at very least a choice

As you say some parents have other vulnerable children or elderly parents in the house and at very least should be given a choice to do what is right for their family

Yeah you'll have parents who are careful and parents who are anti bax conspiracy theorists, so it probably jaut depends on their own values.

March 2020 called. We've had a hugely successful vaccination program since which has reached almost all adults in this country.

You need to move on.

The children need education first and foremost.

Children's education at the sake of how many lives? They wear masks in Canada, America, Spain, France.... why are Irish children different. I'm not too sure what you think tbe choice is here anyway, they're meant to be safer, not closed, they've been open the majority of the pandemic anyway, pandemic closures were in total about 6 months, time open during pandemic is about 10 months, so they've been open, so how about you think about how to stop them making more people sick than need to be? Or is that just too inconvenient for you?

By this same logic, something that appeals to all age groups should always have been open, the gov actually prioritised certain groups the whole time and it wasn't always done in the interest of the common good. There's no point in arguing any of this anymore as its all very divisive. Personally I think that copying thr crazy policies of England with schools with no tracing and no masks and no hepa filters was a huge mistake. I have no doubt its led to numbers of cases increasing and I don't think its fair that some people in society have to suffer so that the gov can run schools with no safety measures, particularly primary.