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Grazing 2021

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,478 ✭✭✭green daries




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,078 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    No nothing in 69 stores out that are about 430+LW as well as 8 finishing cattle moves 15 finishing cattle over the last fortnight.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,938 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Nothing in here yet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Just 10% of stock in. Weaning empties and a 1st Calver. Just as easy to put these in and give hay. Still a good bit of grass around but ground here is starting to go. I will probably have half the stock in by the end of the week. Will just be a little easier due to being part time.

    Has been a great back end for here. Excellent growth, but excellent ground conditions up to the past week. September is the key month to shortening the winter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭Cavanjack


    Bullocks 650kg up all in to be finished before Christmas. All bulls to be killed out of the shed will be in this week. Plenty of grass left but have stores and weanlings out on it. Hope that any cattle that are going back to grass next year will be out until at least the end of November.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,122 ✭✭✭alps


    Replacements in....Cows will be in tonight for 1st time. 11 daytime grazings left.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,448 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Strip grazing away, heavy covers and closed Fields greening up well.


    A pen filled with ones for year end factory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Cows not yet, some younger animals are. Got a lot rain yesterday but not as much as forecast. Wednesday looks the next bad day so that will probably put them in by night. Day until the first week of Nov hopefully then. It's been a very good back end.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,392 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    Nothing in yet. Next weekend will test me as heavy ground here. I usually give stock a bale out for the week before they go in so as not to have total diet change. First feeder going out tomorrow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Why not give hay in the shed. Will help them settle after wet grass and then ease into silage. Doing it for years and it works well. Nothing nicer on the tummy's, like a dry feed when coming in off wet grass. Really settles them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten


    How can you put in cattle with the temperatures in the mid teens. The weather is as mild now than we get at the end of any Summer, grass is still growing, cattle are happier and a lot healthier outside for now.

    A dog with a rubber mallet stuck up it's hole wouldn't have cattle housed in this weather



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,258 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Our stocking rate here is just on the 170kg/ha with our sheep and we won't have what grass is here grazed in a month and, as you say, it's still growing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,518 ✭✭✭Jb1989




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,448 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    There are many reasons to have cattle indoors in some places.


    The mallet shoved up the dog's hole might be there for sound medical reasons..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Great if you have dry ground. Heavy wet ground, and it's a choice in the coming days or have no ground suitable to graze until next may. Lots of us not lucky to have a big bank of dry ground.

    I know which choice I will be making this week. You farm the ground your on and not be influenced by some dog and with his rubber mallet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten


    You could have the same conditions in May as you have now, maybe worse, I've seen plenty months of April and May where it's cold with no growth and hailstone showers.

    If that's your reason for housing them now in this mild weather then you should be looking at an alternative farming system



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Easier to get lighter stock out in early spring due to weight, less demand on grass and cause less damage. Law of averages leads to April and Mays being a hell of a lot better than late Octobers and Novembers. My housing is not determined by mild weather, like many many others in this country it's determined by soil moisture. I wish you well grazing into February



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,368 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    We housed the majority of feeding cows yesterday as all they were doing was ploughing up the paddock and getting stones stuck in their hooves. The sucklers, feeding heifers and young stock are still out but have access to hay (sucklers), the feed barrier (feeding heifers) and meal in the trough for the young stock.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten


    That's pure nonsense, law of averages what next. What you are doing is Calendar farming. what happens if you get a late spring? you'd end up having cattle housed for 6 months!! You'd get a shorter winter in Canada



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭Cavanjack


    Only place for finishing stock this time of the year is in the shed. Unless you’ve very dry ground and they are a couple of weeks away from finishing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,368 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    The weather is Canada is fairly predictable - the get warm dry summers and cold winters, it's a very different weather system to what we have in Ireland which I understand is the most difficult to predict due to our location between the Atlantic and the European land mass.

    As an aside - I wonder after reading some of your comments/posts are you a troll or just trying to piss everyone on F&F off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭Who2


    Dry sucklers are in here. Most of the weanlings are still out bar what’s going to be fed on. I’ll stagger housing to suit here but a lot of the time it’s down to needing to for the easy life as I’m away working in the dark and home in the dark.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten



    Well that is the point I'm making, if the weather is unpredictable which we know it is then you should be working with it. I do take the point that heavy cattle near finishing are better off being housed for the few weeks to finishing but that's different to housing cattle now for the winter. Those cattle have a different diet requirement which would not be gotten outside this time of year.

    Currently it's much milder than normal, ground is dryer as we had a very dry mid August to October. If you are in trouble with ground conditions then you are overstocked or have no business with heavy cattle like Suckler cows or heavy stores.

    As an aside also, idk how anyone could get pissed off with anything said on boards. It's an anonymous posting form with absolutely no kyc for boards of any sort. You have every type of a fraud on here from financial advisors to catfish. If you are willing to believe half the stuff said then you should join that dog with the rubber mallet.......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,448 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    There is a very big difference in a field damaged now and a field damaged a bit next may, even if conditions are worse then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten


    Yes the field that gets damaged now gets 3 months or more in winter to recover.

    Where the fook would I be going putting the likes of this lady in now, it could be the 1st week of June as far as she is concerned. I don't think any animal would choose to be standing in on slats for the next 6 months.

    Post edited by Easten on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,078 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Yes and No. I have moved completely from winter finishing. I even find trying to polish cattle off in the shed for 6-8 weeks is only a break even game with a lot of dairy cross stock. I have eight left. There is the bones of a ton of ration in the bin. I want to convert that back into cash.

    I will try to pick paddocks with lighter covers and use stores to eat out heavy covers.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,392 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    I’ve two dogs but I’ve only one hammer 🤔🤔🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭Cavanjack


    Feeding cattle outside if you are working long hours off farm in a non runner this time of year but I know what you are saying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,741 ✭✭✭CloughCasey1


    I've ten left to finish. Luckily I have an acre of winter age covered in Hazel and tress. I use that all summer to feed my finishing stock so even in wet weather they aren't ploughing fields around feeding meal. There are 3 very dry fields around it and I can let them eat grass up to end of Nov unless horrible weather comes. Mid Oct I drop in a bale of hay in the ring feeder and that keeps the wet grass from running through them and from next week start of nov, they will start getting a bale of silage at the feeding barrier. This gives them access to good DM forage all the time. I can close off the fields if a few bad days come together and they are extremely content on their meal, silage and hay sheltering from the weather. They are just as happy when the electric fence is drawn back after a dry day or two going back to grass. Everyone has a different situation and a different farm. Even at the end of my land 800m away I couldn’t do what I do in the feeding area as the ground holds more water. I try not to abuse that part of the farm at the Start and end of the year.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,392 ✭✭✭Dunedin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭minerleague


    I agree with easten on one thing, you can't foresee what conditions will be like next spring. Not much point having grass for early grazing if you get a wet winter. farming heavy ground here and last few wet years land gets wetter from now on so try to keep winter as short as possible by keeping them out now. Now have to say lightly stocked here with factory cattle finishing up. Cows and calves get round bale of hay outside from now on, helps slow wet grass plus trying to get them to graze out fields well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,025 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    The reality in the west of the country on all average to reasonable land after another days rain and if the wether stays unsettled 30 of them cows would have 30 acres ploughed in a fortnight .In the east it would be a different story probably .In the south west here we would have at least 2 inches of rain every week with the last 5 weeks so the rain ie taking its toll at this stage ,same story every year dam lucky to get to the 1st of november and any day more is a bonus grazing for adult cattle



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,448 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    I find the last 6 years, roughly, that winter is Late Feb to mid march.

    I've often had them out a few hours a day in January while mid march might be horrible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,518 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    Yep, I agree with Eastern too.

    There's frost now on May day and hardly any in October November.

    Im farming wet land too, but this year, more than ever I'll be takeing every day's grazeing now I get, and will aim for a may month turn out if so be it.

    The people giveing out about calender farming regarding spreading slurry, contradict themselves, with their determination of calender grazeing.

    At the end of the day eastern has a valid point for his farm and lots more like him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭memorystick


    If land gets ploughed up now it has 5 months to recover. You have to graze off grass at this time of year.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,078 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Land that gets damaged now can get a run of a chain harrow in spring when ground condition allow. Then a fast run with an empty land roller.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,099 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    If it gets tramped/ploughed now it’ll hold lots of water and take longer to dry in the spring



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,392 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    A small bit of damage is not an issue but too much will take a lot longer to recover next spring.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,078 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    The only real issue is where ground becomes liquidised in to slurry(around a feeding area) or very heavy ground. I have even seen with early spring grazing where ground gets damaged it will have recovered fairly fast. The actual trick with that ground is to not to be afraid regraze in the rotation and a quick light roll

    Really heavy land may need to be treated slightly different but in general lads can be afraid of a little damage when there is no need to

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    All stock out full time still, using cows to get thru as much as I can but weather nearly beating me. Have the wettest ground grazed but the rain ain't coming in small bits and pieces either. In calf heifers will be housed by the wkend and calves the following week weather dependant. If the end of the week comes bad and cows are forced in I may use the remaining ground for calves. Have only 5 empty cows to offload and possibly a bull or two.

    Just on the talk of grazing by calender etc, it is just about having enough grass in spring. If spring demand is low its not such an issue but if you are regularly grazing into December and can't get stock out till april/ May then the main reason is that the farm has been grazed too tight along with any damage taking longer to recover in terms of moisture.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,078 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    There is one main difference between beef and dairying, when cattle go out in spring grass must make up 100% of the diet. I have no problem housing for 7-14 days in May if it comes to that, but supplementation on grass during the spring is not feasible. Cows might only have 40% if there diet as grass during the spring

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    All still out here, but it is starting to poach in places because the heavy deluges of rain recently don't drain away as quickly at this time of year. Still plenty of grass ahead of them so might end up getting the cows checked for being in calf and then split them across a number of fields. Insufficient sheep numbers to handle what's on the ground. Some of our flatter ground waterlogs in the hollows very quickly - when walking on it, its like a sponge. Luckily we just have some young stock on it so they are not hard on it - although the wet grass at this time of year is making their dung very loose and they are starting to get dirty.

    Unsure as to where to give them a dose now or hold off until they are housed. Incidentally I was looking for a dose for them - was thinking of a drench for this time of year as a pour-on would get washed off and then I seen Cydectin Triclamox which is advertised as rainproof - only issue is the withdrawal period is a hefty 143 days - however they came up with that number.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    And it could be game over very quickly here lol, horrible day, 5hours left and still 16mm of rain due!! But fantastic back end so far, a month ago I didn't think I'd ever get through the wedge that was in front of the cows, but always large enough demand this time of the year, and AFC dropping fast enough now. I can't complain because I made no real effort to slow down the cows, only fed half a dozen bales until today. Cows staying in tonight, and if I get to the 15th Nov with some sort of on off grazing with the milkers that will be good enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    Yip - awful day here too. Shifted cattle into a new paddock and am keeping eye on them like a hawk as there might be an increased risk of staggers in this weather when putting them into good fields of grass. Still got a pile of grass ahead of them so will try to get it grazed down.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,238 ✭✭✭Dozer1


    Some rain today will house a good share Saturday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,078 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Still trundling along. Will probably start housing from the start of the second week in November. Stock are in 4 main bunches. Biggest is 24 stores grazing off slight heavy ground. A few land drains went into it about 6-7 years ago it took 3-4 years to properly dry out bit it is holding up well at present.

    21 in a other bunch are being strip grazed through a heavy cover still good clean out. Another bunch of 12 are going similarly. There is 8 finishing cattle in a paddock with decent cover they are on 6 kgs/ day of barley/ maize/ hulls. There is some hitting 30 months the third week in November so will move them around then

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,258 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Never saw anything other than cows getting staggers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey



    Got some cows out with their calves - we'd have a history of it here. Lost a few when I was a lot younger before the vet diagnosed the problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,258 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    That's different, do you not give them Cal Mag. you're lucky if you don't just find them dead especially if there's older calves on them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    They get FlowMag in water and Opti-Mag throughout the season. Touch wood we haven't lost one since we figured out the problem. Wet weather means they don't go to the trough often enough so the Opti-Mag is supplementary. Before going out of shed, they'd get their first Opti-Mag of the season to get it in and releasing into their system.



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