Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

I totally get that and you’re right, calls were made in triage earlier this year. I just don’t think vaccination status will ever be the sole criteria or sole difference between patients. At a total guess I’d say age is the biggest factor.

would doctors even be aware if someone is vaccinated ?

I would not disagree with much of what you say, but I would have thought others would have recognised that in a triage situation with all things being equal and with nothing other than the immediate information available, then,as you say, the vaccinated patient with some level of antibodies would be deemed the one with the better chance of survival and be allocated the bed.

There won't be further "lockdowns".

There will be the far more nasty and insidious "restrictions".

People just get off being high and mighty and pointing the finger.

Yes but that's nothing to do with the vaccinated status and shouldn't be a focus of anything. But yet that type of rhetoric is being used to punish people who aren't vaccinated and will NEVER end up in the ICU with covid.

Like myself. I had the sniffles and then felt sleepy for a few weeks. But there is absolutely no point or anything worth while about screaming in my face telling me that I could take a bed from a vaccinated person.

The chances of having two identical aged people with the same level of survival one vaccinated one not is so tiny that it basically nit picking to the Nth degree. And it's purely based in wanting to punish people for their life choices not in caring for people in need of help.

Imagine we go into the ICU right now and see a young man on life support after drinking and taking pills and then saying well he made that choice so **** him he shouldnt get ICU. Crazy talk!

The reality is an unvaccinated person with a better chance of survival should always be given the bed over the double jabbed person with less chance. And that's how it is so I don't see what point you are trying to make that will have any real world effect other than demonising people who wish not to take the jab for "fear" they might end up in ICU

Lots of things in life put people in ICU at much greater rates than covid. But I don't see you slapping pints or burgers out of people's hands incase they take a bed off a person who doesn't drink or eat **** food.

It's public health care. We all pay for it. Irrespective of your lifestyle choices we give care to those who need it. Because that's the society of no judgement and caring. If you want a different society then I suggest we have private care. No care for junkies because it takes away from ambulances for those who need it right??

There are too many things we could blame for people ending in icu that was 100% avoidable. But we don't rant and rave or block people from society because that sucks the life out of living.

One walk around dublin city yesterday and I see obese people everywhere. Much more likely to need ICU even after the vaccinate than I would be unvaccinated. But that's their choice. I'd still give them all the care they need. Even if I think they are eating themselves to death.

I don`t see how a triage doctor would be able to make a decision on whether a patient has a compromised immune system or not.. Triage is a decision based on the immediate information available. I don`t see it not being reasonable for the triage doctor making a decision based on one having a better chance than the other due to one having antibodies due to them being vaccinated.

Even if you happen to have a case like this which is as I said before nitpicking to the nth degree it would be so rare. So rare that even discussing it as a means of punishing people for not taking the vaccine by keeping them from being part of society that it is utterly ridiculous. And if that is the justification for keeping people out of hospitality then we are in a sorry state of affairs.

What's your actual point with all this Charlie?

Is that you sole reason for blocking people from having a pint in a pub? Why not going to the shops too? Why not the petrol stations?

We can push this pass into every part of life with justifications like yours if we take that stance.

Is it worth discussing for the tiny chance that a doctor will have to make a hard choice? Or are we on the "its your own fault your in icu" bandwagon. In which case I have a few more people I'd like to add to that list. Obese. Alcoholics. Junkies. Attempted suicide patients.. there is a laundry list of reasons people end up in ICU that are all more avoidable than the tiny chance of going there with fecking covid.

These passes are not worth it. And I can't believe we are allowing it.

If a triage doctor is making a decision based on antibodies being present, then I cannot see how the much stronger likelihood of them being present in the vaccinated patient than the unvaccinated would not be a consideration.

It was a simple question. If you are not able to answer then no need for childish remarks.

Did you miss the question ?

It was all things being equal other than vaccine status, which would be more likely to get the bed based on their chance of survival.

What if someone ends up in hospital as a result of injury from the vaccine? (I'd say this is a lot more common than is being reported.)

Should they be denied treatment for something they brought on themselves?

I think it’s fair enough at this stage to assume the masks will never go away. Sad but here we are.

I think it's fair enough at this stage to assume the masks will go away. Sad that you don't think so but here we are.