Spiking.

Seems to be a lot of coverage locally in Derry of 'spiking' going on.

I always wondered practically how easy or difficult it actually is to do? Is it a tablet or a liquid added to drinks? If its a tablet, surely it would need time to dissolve and might be spotted?

I too think the vast majority of people claiming their drink was spiked just drank too much/too some drug that didn't agree with them, and are looking for an excuse to cover themselves.

Spiking by injection is a completely new thing to me, never heard that one before. If that is proven to be happening, then it definitely is a sinister turn. You'd need to be a determined kinda weirdo to go out on the town carrying a syringe filled with whatever, and be prepared to take the risk of trying to inject someone with it, hoping its not noticed.

there seems to be a major media campaign against the re'opening of nightclubs...these are articles appearing in the media at this time are no coincidence. people need to open their eyes at this stage. its not paranoia. its blatant fear mongering...to stop the youth going to clubs and spreading the covid virus.

People pre-spike at home these days...

Perhaps the perpetrators thought you weren't worth the "investment".

I know a girl who ended up in hospital having her stomach pumped when she was a teenager. She never drank (still doesn't) due to a medical condition so when she started swaying her friends immediately knew something was up.

i dunno, what 'level of care' is absolutely necessary. if you're going to the rounds of spiking someone would you be that worried?

I was looking it up because i thought a dose of GHB or whatever would be like a shot glass full, a proper mouthful, but its only like 1 or 2 ml, I doubt it's anywhere near as widespread as is made out, but even one incident will spread panic

Do you think it would be impossible for a fella to be scummy and target and bring home a girl who is just out of it on a dozen vodkas?

If that is possible, then why not possible for the same fella to bring home a girl out of it on 2 vodkas plus a little extra she didn't even know she was drinking?

As for risk-to-reward....where is the big risk for the fella who administers it from his scummer point of view? That he doesn't get her out the door and his "investment" is wasted? It's probably far cheaper to slip her something than to buy her drinks for the night and plenty of fellas will buy drinks for the night.... He likely won't be caught in the act of putting it into her drink. If he gets her home and does what he wants to her, sure he knows plenty of people, as evidenced on here, will just blame the girl for drinking too much

Because you'd go "Ouch!" if someone stuck a needle into you.

Maybe not if you were already a bit drunk and someone used an auto-injector. Especially if you are distracted at the time with something else. As in a person pushes you while jabbing that up against your leg. If I am going to try that on someone it is likely that I will target an already drunk victim. So that will also introduce a bias where a victim of such an attack is likely to be also drunk.

Substances don't necessarily have to be injected. There was a case of an Irish fella who was drugged and robbed and killed in London a few years ago. I think it was suspected to be a case of using "Devil's breath". I have seen something like that being used when I travelled in South America. A local girl who was in our group immediately collapsed when a randomer walking by deliberately sprayed some sort of mist into her face. There were gangs of fellas going around with these spray bottles. He was literally just walking by, never stopped and quickly sprayed the mist at her without breaking his stride. Luckily there were paramedics nearby and we carried her to them. They looked after her for about half and hour and she was fine when she came too. Now, when I say carry, I don't mean we put our arms around her and helped her - I mean I took her legs and another fella took her arms and some others took the weight of her torso. She was completely conked out.

Right. Perhaps nobody explained that to the girl who collapsed when "something like that" was sprayed in her face. We wouldn't have needed to carry her to the paramedics and they wouldn't have had to keep her for about half an hour after bringing her to.

If only we had has some random expert on the internet to direct us all it would have saved a lot of hassle

What is "it"? I never said what was sprayed in her face. Because I don't know even though I was literally within a few feet of her at the time and saw the fella doing it. Hence the qualification "something like" rather than "it was X".

So it's mad that you definitely know what was, even though you don't know where or when it happened. And even though your previous post seems to doubt that it was possible.

I’ve read a few news reports about this syringe spiking in the UK and I have a few thoughts that I haven’t seen addressed in either the articles I’ve read or any comments in relation to the event.

My first thought was that syringe spiking is very extreme. For example, if you were to be caught syringing someone in a nightclub, you would presumably get battered into the fourth dimension and arrested. Syringing is much more visible than slipping a substance into someone’s drink. It is also much more visceral — reading about it has literally made me feel unsettled. Of course, it could be argued that maybe it is easy enough to syringe someone in the dark, but I still think this carries quite a high risk with it as they will feel the prick of the needle and alert whoever they are near to the assault (from what I’ve read it seems as if it takes ten minutes for the substance to take effect), meaning that the syringer is dangerously proximate.

Where am I going with this you are wondering. Bear with me. In a recent NYT article on this series of crimes, it stated that 12 such incidents occurred in Nottinghamshire while others were reported in Scotland. However, no sexual assaults have been reported in tandem with these syringe spikings. Multiple women have been syringed and brought to hospital by their friends or family after losing motor skills. But it does not appear as if there has been any attempt made to abduct these women after they are spiked. At least not in the articles I’ve read. So why then were they spiked in the first place?

My theory is as follows: these are not isolated events. Instead of these acts being perpetrated by multiple people, it might just be one person moving from city to city, perhaps from bar to club on any given night, syringing one or more women and moving on after the fact. It could be a pathological drive of some sort. And the objective is not to sexually assault women so much as it is to just syringe them. This may be providing enough of a rush (sexual or otherwise) for the assailant in question.

Dark I know but just something that occurred to me. It doesn’t really make sense otherwise. I find it hard to believe that this would manifest as a phenomenon amongst multiple people in such a short time period.

I think this is the work of a serial syringer, possibly the first such case like it.