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Climate Bolloxolgy.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    The real extreme climate alarmists will be advocating going back to 1940's style population control starting with anyone that's partial to a steak and a pint of milk, a fact lost on alot of climate change activists is the fact alot of heavily populated places like califronia for example which is currently going through a 20 year mega-drought "due to manmade climate change" where never ment to be home to populations of tens of millions of people, likewise the Dutch claiming back the sea if in 20 years time this reclaimed land ends up back under water that will be because of accelerated man-made climate change, except its only really reverting to its natural state



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,447 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    Thing is if a new government is formed say with sinn fein could these changes or policies be reversed?

    Also if they start with this whole it's a European thing then from what I'm hearding today from lads, if there was a referendum on an exit from Europe I'd say we could have an eirexit. Lads are just do sick of this shite noe. First the beet industry, then the peat and now the Agri industry as a whole.


    It's projected upto 75000 people could lose their jobs over a possible 50% cull in the herd. Some pressure on the social welfare system there. Only thing for it is more taxes to pay for it. Where will it end.


    Love to know how they would try to inform any cull in the herd. Any official could be met with anything from a thick face to a shotgun



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,217 ✭✭✭Grueller


    Go fully organic?

    If that is adopted the world over my man we will have the poorest in the world suffering disproportionately from food shortages, because there will be savage food shortages.

    I have no links to back this up, nor science, nor even a Google search. I do have 30 years farming experience and know that any organic farmers around here have horrendously low yields or stocking rates.

    Where would the food for 8 billion people come from?



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,455 ✭✭✭weisses


    Government needs to retrain people. There are plenty of jobs available in Ireland

    You are using the same logic coal miners use. Animal farming and milk producing in its current state is going to end, same as mining coal.

    The wise thing to do is to adapt before the rest does... Get a head start

    Eirexit?? What do you think will happen If you think the government is incompetent now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,217 ✭✭✭Grueller


    This country is b0ll0xed anyhow. Watching the 6.01 news last night and they had what amounted to a promotional piece on for people to live in 40' containers. If that's what is seen as a solution to the housing issue somebody needs to press a reset button somewhere.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,021 ✭✭✭alps




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Poland are basically telling the EU to get F**ked at the minute,Hungry the same, if the chinese property bubble does pop next year , and interest rates go up a few % including bonds for countries like ourselves spain/Italy/ Greece, saving the planet will be the least of any sitting governments worries, I reckon the EU project is in its dying days to be honest unless the Ecb can get inflation under control and keep interest rates on the floor



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,021 ✭✭✭alps


    People didn't eat coal.

    Wars didn't start over coal.

    The EU wasn't set up to secure a coal supply.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,455 ✭✭✭weisses


    I doubt a war will be fought regarding the amount of days a week you can have a steak on your plate

    The EU wasn't setup to export live pigs across the globe either



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,990 ✭✭✭✭elperello




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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,567 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Tax upon tax upon tax on fuels is just going to turn people away from climate change conversations.

    we need meaningful medium and long term planning which is desperately lacking in our government. I support the end to peat extraction, but not phasing it along with increasing other energy sources was stupid, nothing else, it was stupid. It’s an example of how retarded government planning is.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭endainoz


    Poland and Hungary are pretty awful examples. They are essentially ran by far right dictators that got elected by populism on the style of Trump or Brexit. The majority of the populations of both countries want to stay in the EU and are against the governments.

    Hungary in particular is full of rubbish right wing propaganda. The pic below was taken by a mate who visited over the summer.

    It basically translates as Soros is at it again or something to that effect. That type of right wing rubbish has no place here.



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    Sure once they get us driving electric then they will want to scrap all dairy and beef



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭endainoz


    I always laugh at this sentiment, the farmer argument that the world will starve if methods have to change. Ireland doesn't feed 8 billion people like. It's no lie that stocking rates are lower in organics, yields in organic tillage are improving all the time. It's just all about what would suit a person's system. It might make perfect sense for a suckler farmer with 30 cows to convert from conventional to organics with 20 or so cattle and actually make more money with arguably less work.

    Post edited by endainoz on


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,567 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    I don’t think we will go near the 50% cut in the National herd that is mentioned as the worst case.

    But, would changes be aimed at higher stocked farms or just a broad stroke across the board ??



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    People are funny.

    They get all caught up in saying the right things around climate change etc but when it comes to adjusting behaviour around overconsumption of resources in fuel, consumer goods, cheap food and travel then they won’t step up.

    Organic food should be way more successful than it is due to quality and environmental impact but in reality you get people loading the trolley with the super six from the other side of the world.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,464 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Farming is a easy scapegoat - there's already a regulatory framework - and a history of inspections - compliance and penalties - plus there is room for change - and established grant systems to incentivise change ..

    But Going on the attack against the public and starting an "us versus them" conflict will only have one outcome and it won't be livestock farmers... Theres big changes coming worldwide - and It could be be very profitable for Irish livestock farmers -

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭endainoz


    And this is what I was saying from the start of the thread. Far too much division and as you say the "us vs them" mentality. Needs to meet in the middle and yes I do also agree that Ireland is in a good position to supply food sustainably and for high end markets. I think it's fairly obvious the greens and their policies won't be around for too much longer. It's just a case of how strict the EU directives will be.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,664 ✭✭✭Feisar


    I remember when I was a small lad steak was a big treat, ya could have it everyday of the week now. Food prices are ridiculously low. Does anyboby have an idea of what an animal should cost vs what we currently pay? Plus where is all the tongue/cheek/shin/tripe go to? Most butchers if you ask for anything even slightly off the norm it has to be ordered in.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    What's factual incorrect about the above statement, soros is one serious piece of s**t...

    Then you get a few months later teenage girls been raped by a "transgender" male in girls/transgender sharing toilets passed by woke school boards in the above counties backed by woke democrats installed by soros, and the parent of the raped girl been arrested at a school board meeting when he's told it never happened and removed for making a scene



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭endainoz


    Your quoting from a right wing publication that posted racist conspiracy theories who also are climate change deniers. Hardly a reliable source for anything, and to be honest this is too far off topic. Believe it or not, but the majority of Irish people have no time for this type of crap.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    It's not really of topic, the same c**ts, telling us we are destroying the planet are all in on the above stuff aswell, the little b***d that committed the rape was found guilty, is that made up too ffs....

    Left leaning politicians are never wrong when they are they are still right, 300 million odd cows out in India alot just for ceremonial value and not food production but its the paddy milking a few cows that's the problem



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,447 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    Interesting thing when the polish courts told the EU that their law doesn't overrule their national law. Could be a game changer



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,447 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    Sure the coal industry is now getting busier. Aren't China increasing the amount of coal fired power stations in the country so not much changing there


    Whats wrong with the way food is produced in this country atm



  • Registered Users Posts: 676 ✭✭✭farmertipp


    the problem is the upstarts we never had to listen to in the past or rely on to make a decision now have become educated but still have the inferiority complex and are going to set the world to rights one way or another.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭endainoz


    It really isn't, the terms are clearly defined when a country joins the EU. Poland knew the rules when they joined in 2004, it's only now they seem to have an issue with it. Poland will fall back in line when the EU is forced to with hold funding for them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭endainoz


    I told you the newspaper article you quoted was from an unreliable biased source, then you go on about some other bizarre upsetting story about some sick f**ker in a toilet. I'm not sure how that relates to Soros, but it's definitely off topic, and no I'm not denying it happened either.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,464 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    China feiced cos they stopped importing high grade coal from Australia - and then had major floods in one of their coal mining regions - thats kinda short term I know -

    They are still building new coal burning plants though - kind of hard to bring over a billion people up out of poverty in a couple of decades without using nuclear ,coal, gas and everything else - they've committed to going carbon neutral as well though ..

    Food production isnt terrible in Ireland - the non intensive side could probably use minimal fertilizer , and the intensive side is very input driven and almost green deserts- there's probably a lot of rough - scrubby and wet land that would be best incentivised to be left as it is .

    The current emissions accounting system is full of anomalies - we need some one to bat for Irish ag - and not just take the easiest route -

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭jaymla627




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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭Suckler


    It's not actually Fox News, it's Fox News piggy-backing on a unsubstantiated Daily Wire accusation. A lot of "allegedly", "According to the Daily Wire Article...." and "Seems to be.." wording. The Daily Wire is like taking economic advice from page 3 of the Sun. But, it suited your agenda so you ran with it without reading it.

    Bringing Transgender issues in to this shows you've lost already. "Left leaning politicians.." more irrelevance.



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