Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

I mentioned this the other day, but in defence of NPHET their latest letter noted that the ideal course of action would have been to hold off until early-mid November to see what happens next.

In the next sentence however they also recognised that a "hold off for 3 more weeks and then we'll review" message would not go down well and could be counter-productive in keeping the public onside. Hence the recommendation that we move ahead with caution; being the lesser of two evils.

NPHET have often been accused of being tone deaf and authoritarian, but if one actually reads the letters, NPHET are far more pragmatic and aware of the public mood than the reporting would give them credit for. Most of the recommendations they make are specifically tailored to what they believe is most likely to be acceptable to the general public.

Everyone to their own but children are evidentially not at risk from this. To the extent that the majority of them present as asymptomatic.

No, I'm not Tony Holohan, so I'm not sure what mask you're referring to.

Apparently if anyone dares say something about NPHET that's not immediately negative and doesn't accept that NPHET are running a shadow government hell-bent on controlling our lives, then we must be "staunch advocates" of them.

Of course, an absolutist position where you never have to change your mind is a lot easier to maintain than one where you have to examine the facts and react accordingly.

I think the whole country is frustrated at the below par health system

Everyone and anyone is being blamed for filling ICU beds . This in my opinion is so the HSE dont have look at themselves long and hard and take responsibility for

Nursing unions , Consultants and GPs have been pointing this out for donkeys years and saw this crises looming for years

The population is growing and yet we have below 300 ICU beds for 5 million people . An absolute massive failing on tje HSE

Didnt you hear? Covid loves bars after 11.30, thats why the original curfew was there.

You need to evacuate the bar at 11 so it can turn into nightclub mode, which is totally safe!

Numbers early today.

1,631 new cases, 503 in hospital down ten, 101 in ICU up 4 and 67 deaths notified in the last week.

Government looking to extend pass to those with just one shot.

Considering that you are not considered fully vaccinated until the second shot, are we still sure this is about the vaccines and not about the pass itself.

It stopped being about public health some time ago. Tickets to get into nightclubs and late venues has fuk all to do with public health. If it did we would need tickets to get into any indoor setting.

Who knows, but Varadkar saying they are looking at extending the cert to certain unvaccinated people is pure nonsense. We'll have certain unvaccinated people being potentially treated differently and treated as if they are vaccinated. Makes zero sense. Also tickets for indoors late venues make little sense - what's the public health reasoning for it there but not elsewhere?

People who have recovered can get a cert valid for 6 months. Vardakar talking about giving the cert to certain unvaxxed people. Why is it safe for these unvaxxed people to have a cert and mingle indoors etc but not others?

Yep unvaccinated can already if recovered.

Well it's not black and white I guess.

The first jab gives some level of protection doesn't it? So I guess that's what makes it safer.. Id say that's what it is maybe?

The implication being that one dose is enough to be considered vaccinated so why was a second dose needed if Varadkar and Co can turn around and say, actually 1 was enough?

A 24 hour antigen pass, similar to what other european countries do. Set up self testing supervised tents all over the city. Result goes to your phone 15 minutes later.